What does the U.S Get from its support of Israel?

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24 May 2011, 2:43 pm

blauSamstag wrote:

helps presidential candidates win florida, duh.

exactly there are a lot of "reasons" we support Israel but they all seem to be moral, eschatological, political etc.
there does not seem to be a strategic reason for the U.S. Israel policy.

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24 May 2011, 3:09 pm

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Actually it wouldn't surprise me if we owe Israel money, since they are a net lender not a net borrower.

It's interesting that you frame the money question in the context of lending and borrowing without giving any mention of how much we just give them outright.

But lets ignore the cash question for a moment and ask how much political capital we waste on them every year, and what, precisely, we get in return for it.

I think our support for israel has cost us far more than it could ever be worth.

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24 May 2011, 3:22 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

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we get a surplus of lox and bagels. no seriously though lsreal is one huge liability to the US. All they seem to be good at is pissing off their neighbors and running a ironic apartheid state

You neglected to mention that their neighbors are hell bent on murdering every Jewish Person down to the last baby, and they have walled off the Palestinians because they got fed up with Palestinians blowing themselves up in diners and shopping malls.

funny how they never had that problem before when they lived side by side with their arab neighbors lol.

I would prefer a discussion of the role of Israel in the American national interest I have already heard
Ina's knee jerk anti-obamaism, so don't feed the troll
@inaYusha do you get paid by the word or by the post? (hook me up)

Sorry, but I don't work for George Soros, furthermore how about you stop acting like a troll.

Looks to me like you can't handle the fact I'm right on this and you can't admit you were wrong.

yes because thats usually how people like you sleep at nite right? you can't be wrong at all because lord knows if you came to the realization of the reality of what Israel is you'd be sweating cold sweats at night . I think you are in denial. Or a isreali agent.

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24 May 2011, 3:28 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

helps presidential candidates win florida, duh.

exactly there are a lot of "reasons" we support Israel but they all seem to be moral, eschatological, political etc.
there does not seem to be a strategic reason for the U.S. Israel policy.

for one its political suicide in this country to question our support of Israel..AIPAC and the other isreali lobbys have made sure of this..there has been several congressmen who have tried and failed and ended up losing their re-elections due to landslide smear campaigns.

Right now we pay for about all their military expenses as well as a big chunk of their other expenses as far as other things. There is a bit of nepotism going on between american corporations and Israel as well...as usual money trumps fixing a travesty of human rights...

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24 May 2011, 4:26 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

heylelshalem wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

heylelshalem wrote:

we get a surplus of lox and bagels. no seriously though lsreal is one huge liability to the US. All they seem to be good at is pissing off their neighbors and running a ironic apartheid state

funny how they never had that problem before when they lived side by side with their arab neighbors lol.

Sorry, but I don't work for George Soros, furthermore how about you stop acting like a troll.

Looks to me like you can't handle the fact I'm right on this and you can't admit you were wrong.

What exactly is the wrong I can't handle?
I am the OP the question was how is support of Israel in Americas best interest?
you have not touched the subject so how can you be right?
oh and I saw George at temple (or was it Jewish puppeteer class) anyway he says hi.

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24 May 2011, 5:03 pm

It is primarily the imaginary benefits. People want to imagine that they are accomplishing "God's Will" by supporting "God's Chosen People", and helping Biblical Prophecy move forward.

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24 May 2011, 6:06 pm

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It is primarily the imaginary benefits. People want to imagine that they are accomplishing "God's Will" by supporting "God's Chosen People", and helping Biblical Prophecy move forward.

I am half a mind to believe there is an other reason.
something to do with empire?
I can't put my finger on it
I have a hard time believing there is no strategic importance
But the harder I look the less I see one.
Church and Market your brain works that way.
what is the strategic reason for U.S. Israel Policy?
I will prolly call you a horrible person but in good faith Why?

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24 May 2011, 6:32 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

pandabear wrote:

It is primarily the imaginary benefits. People want to imagine that they are accomplishing "God's Will" by supporting "God's Chosen People", and helping Biblical Prophecy move forward.

Maybe a good solid wedge to prevent a caliphate from unifying the region?

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24 May 2011, 7:56 pm

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Actually it wouldn't surprise me if we owe Israel money, since they are a net lender not a net borrower.

The money "given" to Israel is a hidden subsidy to U.S. corporations. The Israelis use the money to buy stuff from U.S. firms.

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24 May 2011, 8:35 pm

ruveyn wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Actually it wouldn't surprise me if we owe Israel money, since they are a net lender not a net borrower.

The money "given" to Israel is a hidden subsidy to U.S. corporations. The Israelis use the money to buy stuff from U.S. firms.

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Granted. But it's still stuff we (US Taxpayers) paid for that they got for free.

If i own a dairy and discover that I'm one truckload of milk per week away from an economy of scale that will make up for most of the cost of that truckload of milk, if i then give money to the local school system that they can only use to buy my milk, even if i do benefit from that, they still got free milk.

And money is fungible. So if you decide for some reason that the milk wasn't really free, they got something else for free.

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24 May 2011, 8:38 pm

blauSamstag wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Actually it wouldn't surprise me if we owe Israel money, since they are a net lender not a net borrower.

The money "given" to Israel is a hidden subsidy to U.S. corporations. The Israelis use the money to buy stuff from U.S. firms.

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Believe it or not there are some items that our US Military use, that are made in Israel.

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24 May 2011, 9:08 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Actually it wouldn't surprise me if we owe Israel money, since they are a net lender not a net borrower.

The money "given" to Israel is a hidden subsidy to U.S. corporations. The Israelis use the money to buy stuff from U.S. firms.

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Believe it or not there are some items that our US Military use, that are made in Israel.

weak that could not be enough.
and oh boy professional boy scouts get important toys to "protect" our "freedom".
I'd give up anything for the troops reason freedom anything.
the military is a huge porky boondoggle.
we could do better with a tenth of it.
its a fiscal albatross of Keynesian spending and the closest thing to socialism we have.

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24 May 2011, 9:11 pm

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Believe it or not there are some items that our US Military use, that are made in Israel.

Yeah, so? The DOD can put out an RFQ for a US manufacturer, in one month they'll have preliminary bids from three dozen US companies and inside of a year we've replaced them.

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24 May 2011, 9:37 pm

"what is the strategic reason for U.S. Israel Policy?"

Just to maintain having a constant and painful thorn in the side of the Arab world? I don't know.........
I don't know if thats a good enough reason to fund them even though I don't have much use for Israel's neighbors to say the least. I have always had a lot of respect and admiration for Israel just for being able to and having the iron will to survive in that part of the world, having the enemy right next door. If they come off as being brutal or unfair it's because that's the only thing their enemy understands and the only way to preserve their nation from annihilation.
When in Rome............

I'm frugal minded about foreign aid and I do think we should be getting a return on our investment's but that applies to everyone we "help".

I find it strange that it's mostly the liberals that are against aiding Israel but they don't mind throwing American money at all the rest of the word's problems as if our money were global property.

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24 May 2011, 9:49 pm

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I also find it strange that liberals usually sling all the s**t at Israel yet say nothing about Hamas who are known to bomb cars and use children as shields. While I think Israel is overzealous at times, they are mostly doing what they have to do. I'm glad they aren't bending over and letting themselves get f****d in the ass.

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24 May 2011, 10:00 pm

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Raptor wrote:

I also find it strange that liberals usually sling all the sh** at Israel yet say nothing about Hamas who are known to bomb cars and use children as shields. While I think Israel is overzealous at times, they are mostly doing what they have to do. I'm glad they aren't bending over and letting themselves get f**** in the ass.

Hi. I'm a liberal.

Hamas is a problem that we are attacking the wrong way.

The difficulty with Hamas is that treating them like AlQaeda or AlShabab is to ignore where they get their base of support.

The truth about Hamas is that they are like the Salvation Army if they were run by the IRA.

Yeah they're terrorists. But they also provide financial and material support to the people they're fighting for.

If we want to defeat Hamas we have to replace the support they provide to their people.

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