Political Correctness...and race.
My mom is elderly, and calls black people "colored" all the time. I do find it cringe-worthy, but my attempts to get her to choose a different word have failed.
I don't like the term "African-American". To me, this means that the person is an American who was born in Africa or has some claim to citizenship in an African country. Which, oddly, makes Obama one of the few TRUE African-Americans.
Further, if all black Americans are African-Americans, then whites should be called "European-Americans".
On the other hand, people don't really have black or white skin. We should be called "peach" people and "cocoa" people. That way we all sound tasty.
I agree with you 100%. I'm not white, and I find the term "people of color" to be racist because, as you say, it implies that the only thing that matters is whether or not one is white. The politically correct folks that push this term like to think they're not racist, but their use of the term only betrays just fundamental racism is to their belief system.
If for some reason you need to group all nonwhites together, just use the factual term "nonwhite". Same with "nonblack", "nonasian", or whatever.
With regard to other races, "red" has bad connotations because it is associated with times when "the only good injun is a dead injun" was actually a common belief, while "yellow" has bad connotations because it's associated with discrimination against asians, particularly in the decades following Pearl Harbor. "American indian" and "asian" generally work fine, though. "Brown" is another terms that's sometimes used for nonwhite nonblacks, with some genetic justification since American indians and east Asians are sufficiently closely related to be considered a single race. Or, you can go for "native american", "asian american", and "african american", but then you should really use "european american" instead of "white".
The political correctness is a way of preventing substantive discussion of race and racism, so as to preserve the present political balance where nonwhites are largely captive votes of the left. Note that that also involves preserving the present levels of racism, which isn't going to go away on its own. If you want to have substantive discussions of race issues - which would be a good thing - just go for it, and be willing to apologize or change your terminology if people reasonably take offense.
in anthro people use the term amerind (american indigenous) for native americans.
I don't think that PC is that much of a conscious plot.
I think the vote of the black community (who are actually tend to be center-right)
goes dem as a product of the southern strategy .
latinos who also tend to be conservative (catholic) tend to vote dem cuz of the republican stance on immigration.
just look at the cubans who we let freely immigrate they are as republican as hell.
so I think it is less a case of capture and more one of driven out.
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i've always thought african american was a strange term. especially when i hear it being applied to americans who don't even have direct African heritage. there's something about the phrase which screams political correctness and fear. We have the term 'black british'.
Another term that may be related to this subject is 'halfcaste'. I grew up with mixed race cousins and our family (both the black and white side) always used the term halfcaste. only in the last few years, when someone explained what the origins of the phrase were (basically meaning half pure) did i stop using it and start using the more pc term 'mixed race'. it was never used in a negative way and i think that's an important distinction when being politically correct about race.
i come from a very multicultural area and see no problem calling someone black as a descriptive term, yet in more formal situations (such as newspapers) people tend not to. political correctness leaves people in fear of being called racist and having questions thrown at them of why a persons race is relevant. but i see it no differently to describing someone as 'the blonde woman'/ 'the short man'/ 'the plump girl' etc and hate that merely mentionning someone's race is often seen as taboo.
the trouble is, i can see why it is taboo- genuine racism has left us in a state where so much as acknowledging a person's race will lead to speculation of racisim. which is endlessly frustrating.
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I don't expect the rules for this to make any sense, so I just try to roll with it, and describe people by other characteristics. The man with the grey jacket, or the woman with the big hat, or whatever. If we focus on those when describing people, maybe we can focus less on the absurdly unscientific idea of race.
In a reasonable world, people would regard Barack Obama as equally white and black, and the fact that people regard him as black suggests that we have lingering ideas about white purity, but no similar notion of black purity. This thinking doesn't apply exclusively to whites, either.
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In a reasonable world, people would regard Barack Obama as equally white and black, and the fact that people regard him as black suggests that we have lingering ideas about white purity, but no similar notion of black purity. This thinking doesn't apply exclusively to whites, either.
Yes. Note it has nothing to do with ethnicity but only ancestry. Culturally Mr. Amoeba is no more Black than I am, though we are both [if people now believe the documents provided, at least I have not heard about it lately] Native Americans, having been born in the USA.
Culturally he may be more typical of "White" Americans than I am - I suspect he fits in better.
but you see you're seeing 'black' and 'white' as more than just a descriptive term. to me his skin is black (i know, i know- black people don't literally have black skin and nor white people white, but you know what i mean...) and so that is why people may regard him as black. to start saying he is white also is a perfect example political correctness to me. he has white heritage but he is not white. it's nothing to do with purity
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but you see you're seeing 'black' and 'white' as more than just a descriptive term. to me his skin is black (i know, i know- black people don't literally have black skin and nor white people white, but you know what i mean...) and so that is why people may regard him as black. to start saying he is white also is a perfect example political correctness to me. he has white heritage but he is not white. it's nothing to do with purity
If the words signified only descriptions of appearance, I could agree. If people understood exactly what I mean in my mind rather than the associations which my words bring up in their minds, I could agree. My experience suggests that people derive their understanding more from their beliefs and preconceptions than from my intentions. This dynamic seems to underlie lots of the communication difficulties I have experienced, and that I see my fellow literal-minded Aspies complain about.
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When we took our daughter, who has PDD-NOS, to Chuck E Cheese for her last birthday, she had been playing with a little black boy in the play area, when I heard her say to him, "You're black." (I don't have to tell you, I momentarily cringed...)
When he answered her, "No, I'm brown," I had initially believed he had been offended.
For some reason, I had felt compelled to explain my daughter's autism to the little boy's guardian (she was white, and I believe she was a foster mother or social worker). She was very understanding, explaining that in this age of PC language, we're afraid of looking racist just for stating the obvious about someone's race.
And she was right.
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And I would think "black" or even "African" would be preferable to "African-American," as that leaves open the question of what a black man in France would be.
If i recall correctly, in France we call them merely African(s) ("Africain(s)"), although you will hear sometimes hear black(s) too ("noir"(s)). Orrr, if their nationality is known, we'll call them that. =/
If the words signified only descriptions of appearance, I could agree. If people understood exactly what I mean in my mind rather than the associations which my words bring up in their minds, I could agree. My experience suggests that people derive their understanding more from their beliefs and preconceptions than from my intentions. This dynamic seems to underlie lots of the communication difficulties I have experienced, and that I see my fellow literal-minded Aspies complain about.
Preach it, brother. I can get past that ONLY with the Inner Circle.
I agree it's not conscious. It's more a way of avoiding thinking about how many leftist policies have racist consequences - such as a welfare system that breaks up families and tends to trap children in a continued cycle of welfare dependency.
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I agree it's not conscious. It's more a way of avoiding thinking about how many leftist policies have racist consequences - such as a welfare system that breaks up families and tends to trap children in a continued cycle of welfare dependency.
Oh, those terrible liberals and their destructive policies! And minorities had it so well prior to the government giving them a hand up.
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I agree it's not conscious. It's more a way of avoiding thinking about how many leftist policies have racist consequences - such as a welfare system that breaks up families and tends to trap children in a continued cycle of welfare dependency.
How does welfare break up families exactly? If anything, I'd say welfare-to-work types programs and a minimum wage far below a living wage is the biggest culprit in taking parents out of the home. When mom and/or dad have to work 2+ jobs each, who's doing the parenting?
What are the solutions from the right? Get rid of Headstart, full-day kindergarten, take away WIC, remove all possible funding for abortion, cut out or significantly reduce college grants, etc. And this is supposed to help?
Also, wasn't this topic simply about race terms? How did welfare get brought up so quickly?

Anyway, I've never much liked African American either. It implies 2 things that may very well not be true. I use tend to use black and white
When he answered her, "No, I'm brown," I had initially believed he had been offended.
For some reason, I had felt compelled to explain my daughter's autism to the little boy's guardian (she was white, and I believe she was a foster mother or social worker). She was very understanding, explaining that in this age of PC language, we're afraid of looking racist just for stating the obvious about someone's race.
And she was right.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Recently I saw program about children and race and it was very interesting. Of course I can't remember the details, but it was something about how children who were raised not to see color actually had a higher tendency toward slightly racist opinions. The children whose parents acknowledged racial differences and educated their children about different races didn't seem to display any racist opinions.
It's a challenge for sure. I often struggle with when and how to address these issues, especially since we live in a very diverse neighborhood. My son has some friends from different racial and ethnic backgrounds and doesn't think anything of it. He once said to me that some of his friends/classmates are darker than others and I tried to open a discussion about it, but he got bored instantly and started to tune me out. I didn't want to make it a big deal and it hasn't come up since. We'll get there, someday.
I majored in anthropology so I like precision in labeling human subgroups.
If it were up to me "African American" would be reserved for people like Dave Mathews or Obama's dad ( who were born in africa regardless of skin color) and we'd would just go with "black" for the native born descendants of African slaves in America. "Native American" litereally means anyone who was born here, and thats how the term should be used. For Iroquis and Navajos we would use the term "Indigenious American" or "aboriginal American", and we would definetly NOT go back to "Indian" because the indigenous americans did not come from India.
"Amerindian" was kind of a handy and not particular offensive term that I have no objection to (atleast you wouldnt have to specify "red dot' or "feather" when you use it).
Needless to say that I concur that "people of color" is several kinds of stupid.
Not exactly offensive- it just sounds old fashioned. Its too long and cumbersome. Since every human except albinos has some kind of 'color' the term doesnt mean anything. And if you're using it as catch-all for all non-whites then why not just use the term "non-whites".
Albinos do have colour. You confuse a general term "colour" with a specific term "pigmentation".
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