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What political party are you?
Democratic 8%  8%  [ 14 ]
Democratic 8%  8%  [ 14 ]
Republican 9%  9%  [ 15 ]
Republican 9%  9%  [ 15 ]
Liberal 8%  8%  [ 13 ]
Liberal 8%  8%  [ 13 ]
Independent 6%  6%  [ 10 ]
Independent 6%  6%  [ 10 ]
I'm too young to have a political party. 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
I'm too young to have a political party. 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Other 18%  18%  [ 31 ]
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27 Jan 2005, 3:30 pm

It would be more practical to allow citizens to choose which two parties at any one time get federal funds for campaiging. That they would be far more reflective of the population and it would force all parties to "compete" and thus come up with the best platforms, it should be done yearly and to all respective offices up for elections state, national, and local.

Another Idea might be to have a tiered votiing system. You pick the top three candidates running, and each is given a score, and the candidate with the highest overal score wins, but it should be based on how many are running. If 8 candidates run, top three works, if 4 run no more than top 2.
That way whoever wins will be liked most overall among the candidates, because sometimes you might find some you sort of like and others you don't like and some you really like.

I think the House of Representatives both state and national should be instituted like jury duty. This will help thin out professional politicians, because often when they become professional they tend to look out for themselves. This house thing was not my Idea but someone's I used to know and I liked it.



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27 Jan 2005, 5:20 pm

Epimonandas wrote:
I think the House of Representatives both state and national should be instituted like jury duty. This will help thin out professional politicians, because often when they become professional they tend to look out for themselves. This house thing was not my Idea but someone's I used to know and I liked it.


Not a bad idea. But a better one is to still have elections, but have all the candidates randomly selected.

And more importantly, we need to get rid of Congressional districts, so that politicians can't gerrymander their own party into office. Just put everyone in the state in the same election, and use a proportional or semiproportional election method. (This might be a little problematic here in Texas: With 32 seats to fill and possibly more than 100 candidates running, most voters would feel overwhelmed. But 4 districts of 8 seats each might be workable.)



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27 Jan 2005, 10:46 pm

I don't that leaned Republican so much that I like Republicans alot, as much as I became an anti-Democrat. As I have said in earlier posts, Clintons betrayal of the oath of office by committing a crime in a court, the very law he is supposed to uphold, and his slow response to a humanitarian crisis. Then Gore's biased insistance on counting every Democrat voted vote and careless attitude about any non Democrat vote. To the general behavior of Democrats today, especially the public ultra Leftists, whom seem to be the only ones heard from publically and thus trying to bring down any good Democrats there might be to their extremist view or least ruining the Democrat image to many in the public. Can't they just cut out the Extreme left and have normal Democrat party again? I do not want to see the Democrats continually bringing their party down, at least not without a good strong new party to fill the void this direction will make. Clinton's actions gradually pushed me away, Gore's statements that mocked compassion but was really a guise for his selfishness yanked me into the anti-Democrat view (even though I sided for neither R or D for president that year), and the continual bitterness, hippocracy, and lack of intelligent responses in interviews on news programs keep pushing me away.

I don't know if I will ever move toward another party view, but as long as I don't see any change for the better in the Democrats, it will not be them. Perhaps, the parties go through cyclicle evils. The Republicans were "evil" in the late 1800's when through (you guessed) Florida to steal the election via a bribe from Samuel Tilden a Democrat of New York. The Democrats were "evil" in the Civil War when they wanted to continue to "enslave" other human beings. The Republicans were "evil" in the early 1970's, when Nixon was president and tried to cover up evidence of a crime (while there may be debate about his involvement in the crime itself, there is strong reason to believe he was at least responsible for the coverup) and then again he did have the dignity to resign, the Democrats were "evil" in Clinton's administration (since Clinton thought it was okay to believe the law did not apply to him and unlike Nixon, lacked the dignity to resign). Gore should have been president for a few months anyway, and maybe this practice would have given the insight not to say something as stupid as every vote should count and then procede to pick a state where another party leads and overlook one where leads even though the margins is thinner in the one he leads.

I say betrayal, in part because I defended Clinton for years from many other friends and family and even convinced one strict Republican to vote for him. As more of his escapades became apparent and some poor decision making was topped off by betraying the very oath he took and the sanctity of the U.S. Government, I tried to overlook his faults, then reasoned why, then became tired of defending him, then angered for the path he was taking, then ultimately felt betrayal, that he betrayed the ideas I thought he had when he announced he was running and the nation and it laws and its foundation. Before that I had no love of Bush Senior and the overreaching rich kid Dan Quayle, who seemed the most incompetent Vice-President in history, which is quite an accomplishment given that they don't do much anyway. And because Bush, Sr. had said "no new taxes" when he ran and taxes were raised. You should not make guarantees you have no power or ability to keep, taxes are more in the relm of congress. A president can influence those decisions, but not enough to make guarantees.

Originally I would have rather seen McCain become president in 2000, but when his shot was out I leaned toward Third Party candidates. With Gore's handling and the news misque of calling Florida, I favored Bush, Jr. rather then seeing at the very least unfair solutions favored by Gore, which entailed counting only Democrate votes. Hmmmm. If you count only one party's votes, what party's candidate is most likely to win? Hmmm.
While Bush, Jr. may or may not be to most capable president, he has not at least done anything outright illegal or wholly immoral and its still better than the Democrats, especially when they don't offer quality candidates. (How can some say he murders when they use precision weapons? If they wanted to wipe out the entire population as this view suggests, they could easily do so.)



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28 Jan 2005, 4:19 am

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Anyway, I'm just glad I'm not a part of the American political system where you only get a choice between 2 practically identical right wing parties to vote from..... Democracy, huh? :?


Exactly. Which is why I'm not registered with a party at all. (I do vote, I'm just registered as unattached to any parties.)



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28 Jan 2005, 6:06 am

Epimonandas wrote:
I don't that leaned Republican so much that I like Republicans alot, as much as I became an anti-Democrat. As I have said in earlier posts, Clintons betrayal of the oath of office by committing a crime in a court, the very law he is supposed to uphold, and his slow response to a humanitarian crisis.


I wish the worst distortion of the truth coming out of the Bush administration was a lie about sexual activity with an intern, instead of a false case for war that has killed thousands. Not that what Clinton did was ok, which I was outraged about at the time. Now I wish I could trade the "WMDs in Iraq" lie for a "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" type of scandal. If I had the two to choose from, I would always choose the sex coverup to one that results in the deaths of thousands of humans.

As far as ignoring a "humanitarian crisis" goes, many have been ignored by the United States throughout our history and many more will be in the future. I hope you are sure to save some outrage for all of those incidents as well.



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28 Jan 2005, 6:07 am

Dan wrote:
[quote="Epimonandas"Not a bad idea. But a better one is to still have elections, but have all the candidates randomly selected.


What purpose would this serve? Human beings are not capable of determining who their candidates should be? Who does the "random" selection? The government? I don't trust them with anything, so why would I want them picking my candidates for every political office with ZERO input from me?



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28 Jan 2005, 12:09 pm

Epimonandas wrote:
While Bush, Jr. may or may not be to most capable president, he has not at least done anything outright illegal or wholly immoral and its still better than the Democrats, especially when they don't offer quality candidates. (How can some say he murders when they use precision weapons? If they wanted to wipe out the entire population as this view suggests, they could easily do so.)


As some have pointed out, he has done plenty of immoral things of much greater magnitude than lying about a sexual escapade.

If you know that despite the "precision" your weapons will still cause "collateral damage" in the form of innocent human lives lost, it is still murder. It is not unintentional, because you knew it was statistically certain that some innocent people would die. Just because you could do worse doesn't mean what you're doing now is unintended. The question is whether these murders are worth... um... whatever it is you're gaining from the whole Iraq mess.[/i]



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28 Jan 2005, 12:22 pm

i'm a libertarian-socialist

i probably wont vote this year or if i do i may vote lib dem even though i disagree with most of their policies



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28 Jan 2005, 1:06 pm

I am a Democrat because I want sweeping change in the way the country is run. I am very adamant about this because I know there is a lot of war going on in Iraq.


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28 Jan 2005, 1:43 pm

I vote Green, because I take enviornmental issues very seriously.



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28 Jan 2005, 5:29 pm

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If you know that despite the "precision" your weapons will still cause "collateral damage" in the form of innocent human lives lost, it is still murder. It is not unintentional, because you knew it was statistically certain that some innocent people would die. Just because you could do worse doesn't mean what you're doing now is unintended. The question is whether these murders are worth... um... whatever it is you're gaining from the whole Iraq mess.[/i]


Using that arguement, any and all war, over all of history and all the world (from the Falklands to the Persian Greek wars,WWI, to Napoleonic wars, Boer war to Sino Russian, and on and on.), even if it is protecting your nation at the border, would be murder. So does this mean it is simply better to let the Saddams use chemical weapons their own citizens, attack neighbors to build an empire, torture, fight wars, and then make peace deals that they ignore only a few years later. Wow. What a world that would be. Then being victims is the way to go and the people of the world should let monsters and bully tread on them. But aren't what the bullies and monsters doing the same thing? And then how could it be better to do nothing about any of them ever? Would that apply to prisons, courts, and law too?



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28 Jan 2005, 5:39 pm

Epimonandas wrote:
Wowbagger wrote:
If you know that despite the "precision" your weapons will still cause "collateral damage" in the form of innocent human lives lost, it is still murder. It is not unintentional, because you knew it was statistically certain that some innocent people would die. Just because you could do worse doesn't mean what you're doing now is unintended. The question is whether these murders are worth... um... whatever it is you're gaining from the whole Iraq mess.[/i]


Using that arguement, any and all war, over all of history and all the world (from the Falklands to the Persian Greek wars,WWI, to Napoleonic wars, Boer war to Sino Russian, and on and on.), even if it is protecting your nation at the border, would be murder. So does this mean it is simply better to let the Saddams use chemical weapons their own citizens, attack neighbors to build an empire, torture, fight wars, and then make peace deals that they ignore only a few years later. Wow. What a world that would be. Then being victims is the way to go and the people of the world should let monsters and bully tread on them. But aren't what the bullies and monsters doing the same thing? And then how could it be better to do nothing about any of them ever? Would that apply to prisons, courts, and law too?


We're smack bang into "black and white" vs. "shades of grey" territory here I think.... I always naturally tend to think in black and white/good and evil/right and wrong, but War is just one of those things that just has to fall into the grey camp.... Sometimes its necessary, and sometimes you have to do very bad things in its name, sadly..... Iraq wasn't one of those occassions, but anyway.... :)


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28 Jan 2005, 5:57 pm

The problem with the current system is that it facilitates the continuing of the two-party system. Remove all the special election privileges the two parties have, such as having their primaries mixed in with the general elections, automatically receiving federal funds (!), and having their names at the top of the ballot. No creating some brand new artificial system; such systems always go awry and create some unwanted result.

I consider myself libertarian btw, and I consider voting to be somewhat pointless. I think that people need to stop glorifying and sucking up to the government and start doing things for themselves. The government is a murderous, thievish operation. Just look at what it's doing in Iraq.

Epimonandas wrote:
It would be more practical to allow citizens to choose which two parties at any one time get federal funds for campaiging. That they would be far more reflective of the population and it would force all parties to "compete" and thus come up with the best platforms, it should be done yearly and to all respective offices up for elections state, national, and local.

Another Idea might be to have a tiered votiing system. You pick the top three candidates running, and each is given a score, and the candidate with the highest overal score wins, but it should be based on how many are running. If 8 candidates run, top three works, if 4 run no more than top 2.
That way whoever wins will be liked most overall among the candidates, because sometimes you might find some you sort of like and others you don't like and some you really like.

I think the House of Representatives both state and national should be instituted like jury duty. This will help thin out professional politicians, because often when they become professional they tend to look out for themselves. This house thing was not my Idea but someone's I used to know and I liked it.



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28 Jan 2005, 7:37 pm

I have already expressed my political views (I'm left-wing), but I thought I would add a little humour to this topic.

What You Have to Believe to Be a Republican Today:

Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you’re a conservative radio host. Then it’s an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

A woman can’t be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

Group sex and drug use are degenerate sins unless you someday run for governor of California as a Republican.

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won’t have sex.

A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

Global warming and tobacco’s link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush’s daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a “we can’t find Bin Laden” diversion.

A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the ’80s is irrelevant.

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

I also have one of these about Democrats. I might post it later.



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28 Jan 2005, 7:48 pm

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Remove all the special election privileges the two parties have, such as having their primaries mixed in with the general elections, automatically receiving federal funds (!), and having their names at the top of the ballot.


The TAMU student body election has a "fair" system in this regard. Each candidates is limited to an equal amount of campaign spending ($1000 for student body president candidates, $350 for RHA president candidates, $250 for class presidents, $125 for senate candidates, $700 for Yell Leader candidates, and $125 for all other positions), and these are strictly enforced.

The ballots are in random order, and only mention the candidates names. (Political blocs [yes, we have them; I'll explain later] deal with the nonpartisan ballots by publishing candidate lists on their websites. Or on paper, but this counts against every candidate at full cost.) So on paper, nobody has any special election privileges. So we should have competitive elections, right?

For Yell Leaders, we don't. Nineteen of the last 20 came from the same student organization (the Corps of Cadets).



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28 Jan 2005, 7:52 pm

Bec wrote:
I have already expressed my political views (I'm left-wing), but I thought I would add a little humour to this topic.


I'll counter with:

You might be a Democrat if:

  • You think that protestors outside nuclear power plants are dedicated activists, but protestors outside abortion clinics are dangerous zealots interfering with a legal activity.
  • You think that Rush Limbaugh's listeners are mindless "dittoheads," but you have never doubted anything that you heard from Michael Moore.
  • You believe that there was never, ever a problem with biased news coverage until Fox News went on the air.
  • You mentally subtract 100 points from someone's IQ if the person speaks with a Southern accent.
  • You think that Dan Rather got a raw deal.
  • You think that the phrase "separation of church and state" is in the Constitution.
  • You pride yourself on your global awareness, global sensitivity and global outlook, but can't name your state legislator or school board representative.
  • You believe that a woman should make it on her own, without depending on her husband (except for Hillary Clinton).
  • You believe that professional, working women should never be judged on their appearance (except for Katherine Harris).
  • You believe that rich people should not be allowed to contribute so much money to candidates for office (except for George Soros).
  • You believe that government should make a special effort to hire members of traditionally oppressed groups, such as African-Americans (except for Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice).
  • You feel a deep sense of common cause with oppressed groups, such as Hispanic immigrants (except for Cuban Americans fleeing Castro).
  • You have no problem with Hollywood movie stars flying around in private jets to give speeches on the evils of SUVs.
  • You are more concerned, more often, with the rights of convicted felons than you are with the rights of small business owners.
  • You uphold a woman's right to choose, unless a woman chooses adoption, chooses to be a stay-at-home mom, chooses to homeschool, or chooses to start a business.
  • You are worried about how the French view Americans.