Death threats fail to shake climate scientists
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
Actually, it looks like the threats are continuing since the "climate-gate" incident in 2009. You need to BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS that the scientists themselves are using the death threats for publicity. Otherwise I will accuse YOU and your ilk of making dishonest ad-hom smears against scientists.
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Climate change scientists threats reheated
June 09, 2011
CLAIMS prominent climate change scientists had recently received death threats have been revealed as an opportunistic ploy, with the Australian National University admitting that they occurred up to five years ago.
Only two of ANU's climate change scientists allegedly received death threats, the first in a letter posted in 2006-2007 and the other an offhand remark made in person 12 months ago.
Neither was officially reported to ACT Police or Australian Federal Police, despite such crimes carrying a 10-year prison sentence.
The outdated threats raised question marks over the timing of their release to the public, with claims they were aired last week to draw sympathy to scientists and their climate change cause.
The university denied it was creating a ruse, maintaining the initial report, in the Fairfax-owned Canberra Times last week, failed to indicate when the threats were made.
Reports also suggested the threats had forced the ANU to lock away its climate change scientists and policy advisers in a high-security complex. The Daily Telegraph has discovered the nine scientists and staff in question were merely given keyless swipe cards - routine security measures taken last year.
ANU climate institute director Professor Will Steffen, a key adviser to the Howard and Gillard governments, is believed to have received the threatening letter.
The other threat was made to a scientist at a university function last year by a person not known to university staff.
ANU communications director Catriona Jackson would not reveal the exact wording of the threats, but added: "Abusive emails are par for the course for most climate change scientists."
Scientist and renowned climate change sceptic Jo Nova said the revelation of the death threats was merely a welcome diversion for climate change believers.
"It's a great way to win sympathy. Not that I'm suggesting these scientists are feigning it themselves, but that there are billions of dollars on the table, not to mention a cult-like devotion to the meme," Ms Nova said.
"It's in quite a few people's interests to help those scientists win the sympathy of the crowd, and to distract the crowd with something non-scientific."
June 09, 2011
CLAIMS prominent climate change scientists had recently received death threats have been revealed as an opportunistic ploy, with the Australian National University admitting that they occurred up to five years ago.
Only two of ANU's climate change scientists allegedly received death threats, the first in a letter posted in 2006-2007 and the other an offhand remark made in person 12 months ago.
Neither was officially reported to ACT Police or Australian Federal Police, despite such crimes carrying a 10-year prison sentence.
The outdated threats raised question marks over the timing of their release to the public, with claims they were aired last week to draw sympathy to scientists and their climate change cause.
The university denied it was creating a ruse, maintaining the initial report, in the Fairfax-owned Canberra Times last week, failed to indicate when the threats were made.
Reports also suggested the threats had forced the ANU to lock away its climate change scientists and policy advisers in a high-security complex. The Daily Telegraph has discovered the nine scientists and staff in question were merely given keyless swipe cards - routine security measures taken last year.
ANU climate institute director Professor Will Steffen, a key adviser to the Howard and Gillard governments, is believed to have received the threatening letter.
The other threat was made to a scientist at a university function last year by a person not known to university staff.
ANU communications director Catriona Jackson would not reveal the exact wording of the threats, but added: "Abusive emails are par for the course for most climate change scientists."
Scientist and renowned climate change sceptic Jo Nova said the revelation of the death threats was merely a welcome diversion for climate change believers.
"It's a great way to win sympathy. Not that I'm suggesting these scientists are feigning it themselves, but that there are billions of dollars on the table, not to mention a cult-like devotion to the meme," Ms Nova said.
"It's in quite a few people's interests to help those scientists win the sympathy of the crowd, and to distract the crowd with something non-scientific."
Link: http://www.news.com.au/national/carbon- ... 6072073038
Notice that not even the skeptic cited in this article is arguing a non-sequiter you are. I also imagine the majority of the death threats are simply blown off. Only a very small number were deemed worthy of investigation.
parrow wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
Giving how crazy climate deniers are this not suprising.
Sarah Palin gets a lot of death threats too.
What do death threats have to do with the validity of something? Answer: nothing.
Good point. Anyone making a death threat is almost certainly insane, regardless of whom they're threatening (and, btw, that includes Palin's threats in the other direction).
Dox47 wrote:
marshall wrote:
These are scientists, not politicians, you turd. Scientists do not normally recieve death threats. How about next time your life is threatened by some imbecile I berate you for "trying to appeal for sympathy"? Also, it's not like conservatives like yourself and your pal Inuyasha don't have the most delusional persecution complexes possible. People living in glass houses don't throw stones.
Actually, scientists carrying out research involving animals receive them fairly regularly, not to mention actual assaults and harassment.
I don't see how that is relevant. My problem is with "skeptics" who attack the messenger (by attacking their motives, accusing them of conspiracy, etc... rather than providing scientific counter-evidence) because they do not like environmental policy that politicians write. People like iamnotaparakeet do not seem to understand that scientists do not write the environmental policy or that Al Gore and other environmental activists are NOT climate scientists. At least in the animal research case those scientists can be said to be causing direct harm to the animals they experiment on (in the eyes of some animal rights activists). Climate scientists are doing no such direct harm to anyone. They are merely spreading a message that certain people don't like and find threatening.
marshall wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Oh wow, 'Climatology Martyrdom', the Climatologists are willing to be hypothetically sacrificing their lives in order to "save the planet."
So you're defending the idiot a**holes who decide to attack and threaten the messenger because they don't like the message? Conservatives like yourself just lost even more respect. You are lower than pond scum.
dont mean to split hairs, but isnt the term pond life?
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LKL wrote:
Good point. Anyone making a death threat is almost certainly insane, regardless of whom they're threatening (and, btw, that includes Palin's threats in the other direction).
I would be very careful about dishing out insults like that - to these people, they may have very rational and well-thought-out plans for doing so. And that's how they would look to most other people too. There's a difference between 'insanity' as a general exasperative insult and clinical insanity.
Dox47 wrote:
marshall wrote:
These are scientists, not politicians, you turd. Scientists do not normally recieve death threats. How about next time your life is threatened by some imbecile I berate you for "trying to appeal for sympathy"? Also, it's not like conservatives like yourself and your pal Inuyasha don't have the most delusional persecution complexes possible. People living in glass houses don't throw stones.
Actually, scientists carrying out research involving animals receive them fairly regularly, not to mention actual assaults and harassment.

Tequila wrote:
LKL wrote:
Good point. Anyone making a death threat is almost certainly insane, regardless of whom they're threatening (and, btw, that includes Palin's threats in the other direction).
I would be very careful about dishing out insults like that - to these people, they may have very rational and well-thought-out plans for doing so. And that's how they would look to most other people too. There's a difference between 'insanity' as a general exasperative insult and clinical insanity.
Homicidal ideation is a symptom of mental illness.
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Tequila wrote:
LKL wrote:
Good point. Anyone making a death threat is almost certainly insane, regardless of whom they're threatening (and, btw, that includes Palin's threats in the other direction).
I would be very careful about dishing out insults like that - to these people, they may have very rational and well-thought-out plans for doing so. And that's how they would look to most other people too. There's a difference between 'insanity' as a general exasperative insult and clinical insanity.
Homicidal ideation is a symptom of mental illness.
Sometimes in some people. But often homicidal people have no mental illness at all. Jails are full of convicted murderers with no mental illness.
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marshall wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
marshall wrote:
These are scientists, not politicians, you turd. Scientists do not normally recieve death threats. How about next time your life is threatened by some imbecile I berate you for "trying to appeal for sympathy"? Also, it's not like conservatives like yourself and your pal Inuyasha don't have the most delusional persecution complexes possible. People living in glass houses don't throw stones.
Actually, scientists carrying out research involving animals receive them fairly regularly, not to mention actual assaults and harassment.
I don't see how that is relevant. My problem is with "skeptics" who attack the messenger (by attacking their motives, accusing them of conspiracy, etc... rather than providing scientific counter-evidence) because they do not like environmental policy that politicians write. People like iamnotaparakeet do not seem to understand that scientists do not write the environmental policy or that Al Gore and other environmental activists are NOT climate scientists. At least in the animal research case those scientists can be said to be causing direct harm to the animals they experiment on (in the eyes of some animal rights activists). Climate scientists are doing no such direct harm to anyone. They are merely spreading a message that certain people don't like and find threatening.
Oh, I don't understand the difference between a scientist and an activist do I? Why don't you tell me more that I didn't know about myself you pretentious jerk.
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
marshall wrote:
These are scientists, not politicians, you turd. Scientists do not normally recieve death threats. How about next time your life is threatened by some imbecile I berate you for "trying to appeal for sympathy"? Also, it's not like conservatives like yourself and your pal Inuyasha don't have the most delusional persecution complexes possible. People living in glass houses don't throw stones.
Actually, scientists carrying out research involving animals receive them fairly regularly, not to mention actual assaults and harassment.
I don't see how that is relevant. My problem is with "skeptics" who attack the messenger (by attacking their motives, accusing them of conspiracy, etc... rather than providing scientific counter-evidence) because they do not like environmental policy that politicians write. People like iamnotaparakeet do not seem to understand that scientists do not write the environmental policy or that Al Gore and other environmental activists are NOT climate scientists. At least in the animal research case those scientists can be said to be causing direct harm to the animals they experiment on (in the eyes of some animal rights activists). Climate scientists are doing no such direct harm to anyone. They are merely spreading a message that certain people don't like and find threatening.
Oh, I don't understand the difference between a scientist and an activist do I? Why don't you tell me more that I didn't know about myself you pretentious jerk.
If you know the difference then act like you do. And don't pretend like you are never condescending to "liberals".
Dox47 wrote:
marshall wrote:
These are scientists, not politicians, you turd. Scientists do not normally recieve death threats. How about next time your life is threatened by some imbecile I berate you for "trying to appeal for sympathy"? Also, it's not like conservatives like yourself and your pal Inuyasha don't have the most delusional persecution complexes possible. People living in glass houses don't throw stones.
Actually, scientists carrying out research involving animals receive them fairly regularly, not to mention actual assaults and harassment.
PETA busy at work.
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blunnet wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Oh, I don't understand the difference between a scientist and an activist do I?
Your question in your other thread made the pressumption that environmentalists are actual scientists.
No. It apparently conveyed an incorrect implication, but I did not have that presumption myself. An environmentalist can be either a professional scientist or a layman, not a one or the other deal. The climatologists who assert human causation of global warming/global cooling/climate change are environmentalists and layman environmentalism activists are also environmentalists.
Dox47 wrote:
marshall wrote:
These are scientists, not politicians, you turd. Scientists do not normally recieve death threats. How about next time your life is threatened by some imbecile I berate you for "trying to appeal for sympathy"? Also, it's not like conservatives like yourself and your pal Inuyasha don't have the most delusional persecution complexes possible. People living in glass houses don't throw stones.
Actually, scientists carrying out research involving animals receive them fairly regularly, not to mention actual assaults and harassment.
Forensic anthropologists get them a lot as do archaeologists. economists should but for some reason don't.
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
blunnet wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Oh, I don't understand the difference between a scientist and an activist do I?
Your question in your other thread made the pressumption that environmentalists are actual scientists.
No. It apparently conveyed an incorrect implication, but I did not have that presumption myself. An environmentalist can be either a professional scientist or a layman, not a one or the other deal. The climatologists who assert human causation of global warming/global cooling/climate change are environmentalists and layman environmentalism activists are also environmentalists.
Not all climatologists are environmentalists. Not all people who believe AGW is real are environmentalists. I don't consider myself an environmentalist or a global warming alarmist. I've had a good look at the evidence from many independent sources. I also have a masters degree in atmospheric science and understand the physical processes and nuances of the atmospheric energy budget. I'm quite confidant that humans are in fact changing the earth's climate based on evidence and scientific reasoning alone. I don't believe AGW will lead to the end of the world. I think AGW has both costs and benefits to humanity as a whole. You won't ever hear environmentalists say that.
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