New state law to open more public buildings to firearms

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If you say so. I never tried. However they are obtained, they do a superb job of killing.

The point is, only those willing to break the law will go to the guy down the street. Law abiding citizens are the only ones punished when guns are made harder to obtain. You know what this means?

... mostly criminals will have guns.

And your point is? What the hell do you mean by however I classify deaths? We are clearly talking about gun homicides so everything else is irrelevant and must be ruled out.

http://www.gunmyths.com/2009/01/04/myth-gun-shows-are-supermarkets-for-criminals/#fn-296-10

Now these are some figures that speak ear shattering volumes about why gun control doesn't work. As you can see, legislature does jack s**t to affect availability of guns in the black market. B-b-but if it keeps 7% of crooks from obtaining guns at the expense of 100% of law abiding citizens, it's totally worth it!

Trust me, he still won't get it. I don't even know why I even bother.

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See
http://www.veganpeace.com/gun_control/SelfDefense.htm

That's right, don't address my points. Not like I've ever heard this statistically skewed myth before:


http://www.gunmyths.com/2009/04/05/myth-handguns-are-43-times-more-likely-to-kill-a-family-member-than-a-criminal/

That was too easy.

And having a gun does not encourage suicide?

Haha! Are we now going to ban knives and any kind of pills? How about rope?

What can I say, I'm in a futile mood.

guys with concealed carry permits are the least of my worries.

I'm a pacifist (in the 'just because I'm a pacifist doesn't mean i won't kick your ass if you provoke me' sense) and i own no firearms of any kind - but i don't see the point in restricting the lawful use of guns when it's criminals we're worried about.

What's up with the sudden change of subject? You have nothing to refute my points with? Wasn't the discussion initially about guns being used to kill others? Besides there is no correlation between suicides committed with firearms and the overall suicide rate because you know, if there's a will there's a way. If there's no guns around, the person will just find another way to kill himself/herself.



So uhhh are you gonna address my points or what? So far I've refuted your arguments about legality affecting gun availability in the black market, pointed out what was wrong with your inclusive and vague category of "Gun deaths" and have proven the vast majority of law abiding gun owners use guns defensively rather than offensively. What do you have to say about my rebuttals?

Let's ban booze too! Oh wait, we all know how well that worked out during Prohibition

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Okay. Let me go finish off my whiskey before we embark on this righteous crusade, k?

The basic point I am trying to make is something that I'm sure we all agree upon. Guns make it extremely simple and quick and easy to kill. My contention is that it is not a very bright idea to accept these advantages in blanket dispersal of arms to careless, immature, and stupid people. People can commit suicide with a sharp knitting needle or perhaps, with ingenuity a rolling pin. But this takes great effort and prolonged pain and no doubt a good deal of mess with, no doubt, second thoughts. A quick flick of the finger can and frequently does very neatly and instantly blast a hole in a vital spot with very little thought concerned. That same ease settles inflamed momentary anger, hugely enlarges possibilities for easy mistakes and finds lethal effect in children playing with an unguarded gun. These things happen with regular frequency and cannot be brushed away. You seem happy with that. I am not.

Big Brother knows best, eh?

I hear that a lot of veterans of our recent conflicts come home believing that most people should not be allowed to own guns.

The logic is that they are powerful and dangerous tools that require a particular level of respect, and most people are incapable or unwilling show them that respect.

The people they are referring to are not criminals but rather inept lawful owners.

And making them illegal hasn't stopped that from happening, but it has certainly stopped law abiding citizens from having them to defend themselves with.

Prove that the vast majority of gun owners are stupid, careless and immature. Only 0.8% of gun deaths are attributable to accidental discharge

Notice drowning and traffic accidents have much higher accidental death rates. Let's add swimming pools and cars to the list of things that should be banned!

It still hasn't affected the overall suicide rate, so looks like taking away one means of suicide isn't a deal breaker for them.

Regular frequency my ass, accidental discharge is less than 1% of gun deaths. I love how you are grasping at straws by accusing me of being happy about children being dead. How did I know you would resort to emotional rhetoric? Also, people who usually end up shooting people in anger are usually habitually violent and live a criminal lifestyle so once again your distrust in the average person is irrational:

http://www.gunmyths.com/2009/03/27/crime-and-guns/
I still wonder why I even bother.

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I happen to personally know a few soldiers. One being my own cousin. They all stress proper training, but beyond that I have yet to come across one that thought stricter gun laws were a good idea.