Blanket Sharia rule in parts of England?

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Muslims in the United States assimilate far more than do the ones in Europe. There is a big difference in the experience of the two continents.

I think a great many Muslims desire what I just said...I have been Arab/Muslim countries...it is SCARY. The amount of hatred toward the U.S and Israel is sickening and paranoia fed. Islam is a problem. It is not a religion that promotes that inter-faith dialogue..its an Either/Or religion. Chrisitianity has evolved a lot since the Enlightenment to become second to the democratic nature of western countries. Islam and government are one in the same in the Islamic/Arab world. Take a look at what the Egyptian " liberal" party leader said the other day about the Holocaust being a lie! He also said that 9/11 couldn't have been done!. This is the " Average" mindset on the street in the Arab world....racism, mental illness, and anti-west values pervade their society.

I would rather live in Israel than an Arab Muslim country any day. Even though I've been to neither.

Kol ‘od balleivav penimah / Nefesh yehudi homiyah...

And so on. I would love to go to Israel some day.

My not being very surprised is the worst part of this story. How can some of the world's most powerful countries make such a mistake? < letting in thousands of muslims who would without doubt be hostile to the ways of their host countries.

The left, who I have second thoughts about voting for, will remain silent about this. They will not be satsified until their desired muslim to "kaffir" ratio becomes a reality. The ultraleft even believes that regardless of historical ties, Israel should not be a nation because to them it was created by colonialism. Yet the same idiots would claim that because certain western countries also belong to their growing muslim populations, we should appease the followers of Islam.

The vast majority of Muslims in this country are fairly well intergrated, I'd say. I think about 10% of my year are Muslim, and whilst there's a group of them generally don't hang around with the white boys such as myself if they have the choice (they'll happily hang around with other Asians, regardless of religion, and the small number of blacks who are generally Christian), they're part of the community and they enjoy many aspects of British culture. They generally support English sports teams (though cricket is about 50/50), we watch the same television shows, we get on well, and aside from the things that are intrinsically Muslim about them (e.g. fasting during Ramadan), there is ultimately very little or no difference between Muslim and non-Muslim. Certainly if you were to compare the Sikhs and Hindus with the Muslims, you'd find zero cultural difference except the very facts of their religion, and I can only think of the culinary differences between non-Asians and Asians (though many non-Asians love curry and samosas, and many Asians love roast dinners and chips).

I don't think this is a genuine "threat". This tiny group is no more representative of Muslims than racist organisations who want rid of immigrants like the EDL and the BNP are of whites.

Who do you think is more likely to be recruited as a suicide bomber: one of the Muslim boys or one of the "white" boys?

ruveyn

I think that the British should respond to this demand by having Islam abolished and declaring religion in general to be a mental illness requiring hospitalization and extensive rehabilitative therapy.

I don't think any of them are really. However, if I heard that a pupil had blown up the school, I would presume it to be a Muslim boy (only two or three of the 30 or so, mind- I would stake my life that the others would not become suicide bombers), though I don't know if that is because I am prejudiced against them or not.

Violence in general, or a shooting, I wouldn't know have any inkling as to the offender's religious or ethnic background.

Personally, I think the recruitment of Muslim boys to become suicide bombers is the fault of Bush and Blair (and to a degree, Brown, Cameron, Obama, and everybody who supported the war) for their immoral war in Afghanistan, and the illegal war in Iraq, which the likes of Bin Laden see as an attack on their liberty. Impressionable Muslim boys can be corrupted.

Equally, however, I think impressionable English Christian boys would become suicide bombers if their church leaders told them Christianity was under attack, and unfortunately I think a majority of the whites in my area would become suicide bombers if someone convinced them that Muslims posed a threat to their existance (people tried at the World Cup, and they tried after Remebrance Day, and they'll try the next time the Daily Mail put a high-profile scare story out, but fortunately they've failed... so far).

All religious people need to be sent to the moon. (there they can live happily. why try to act like you cant enjoy life down here?) I'm tired of thier crap already

In one of the Hasidic neighborhoods in NYC, there are moral enforcers.

Is the proposed Sharia law like that, or will it be enforced by the official law enforcement people?

I believe they are proposing turning Bradford into a seperate country and employing their own law enforcement. Good luck running Bradford without support from the UK Government.

Have any of you actually been to Bradford? I say, let them have it, it's a s**thole.

The Hasidim can impose boycotts and even declare instransigent community members herem (excommunicated) but they cannot legally enforce any kind of fines, seizure of property, imprisonment or physical punishment. Rabbinic courts have the legal status as councils of arbitration and the decisions thereof are not binding on the parties unless they agree ahead of time to abide by the decisions.

Rabinnic courts do not have any effective legal standing beyond arbitration.

If Shariah courts were similarly situated and constituted I would have no objections to them at all. But that is not how it works. Shariah is believed by Muslims to be effective law and can be imposed on non-Muslims as well.

ruveyn

I used to go to Bradford frequently, it didn't used to be.

I have heard from journalists that the average Arab boy is more savvy in political affairs than US political science majors. And I can confirm this at-least with my visits to my ancestor country Syria. Therefore, I want to discredit the quoted post for the levant region.

I can also concur with the post saying that the American Muslim population assimilate better than the British. Though this is on accounts of a few Muslims that moved here from Britain. I would like to add preemptively add, rare outliers (rare unstable individuals/terrorists), do not prove otherwise.

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I will tell you have to make a small fortune in Israel. Bring a large fortune there when you go.

ruveyn