Rupert Murdoch owns far more than 30 media outlets

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20 Jul 2011, 4:40 pm

On the plus side, Rupert does have a really hot wife, Mrs. Wendi Deng Murdoch.

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They have some really good-looking kids, too.

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This is Rupert's third wife, which means that he is a serial polygamist. Mrs. Bachmann would certainly disapprove.

They married in 1997, when he was a young lad of 68, and she was 29.

The present Mrs. Murdoch is one of those horrible aliens about whom we've heard so much.

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After entering the United States, Deng lived with the Cherry family (whom she had met in China) for a while when attending university. Mrs. Cherry suspected her husband was having an affair with Deng (30 years his junior) and demanded she leave the house. Mr. Cherry soon followed and moved in with her. The two married in 1990. Deng and Cherry's marriage lasted 2 years and 7 months before they were legally divorced, but he would later explain they only stayed together for 4 or 5 months, after which he learned of the extramarital relationship Deng had with a David Wolf, a man closer to her age. Nonetheless, she had been able to secure a green card through being legally married to Cherry.


I'm sure that Mrs. Bachmann wouldn't approve of Mrs. Murdoch's fornicating around, either.

Mr. Murdoch married his present wife just 17 days after divorcing his second wife.

Mrs. Murdoch was an employee of Star TV (a News Corps subsidiary in Hong Kong) when she met Mr. Murdoch, whose good looks, charm, and bazillions of bucks apparently swept her off her feet.



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20 Jul 2011, 4:46 pm

visagrunt wrote:
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Okay say you are the manager of a company and one of your employees got drunk and drove one of your forklifts into a school bus, and it was your day off. Should you be held responsible for the employee (assuming there was nothing to suggest beforehand that said employee was an alcoholic)?


It depends what you mean by "responsible."

If you speaking of cirminal liability for, say, "dangerous operation of a motor vehicle," then clearly not. The employee was the one who was drunk and the one who had care and control of the forklift. Criminal liability attaches to him.

But in the area of civil liability, liability would attach to the employer under the doctrine of "vicarious liability." In the case of a coporation with limited liability, liability attaches to the corporation, but not to the shareholders.

There are also numerous areas in which the directors of corporation are personally liable for the debts of the corporation--some by statute and others at Common Law.

Finally, there are numerous circumstances in which a court will find that a person has kept himself "wilfully blind" to activities undertaken in an area of his responsibility. In such circumstances the court may impute "constructive knowledge" to the person. The phrase, "knew or ought properly to have known," is meant to capture constructive knowledge.

Single incidents of misconduct will not, generally, attach beyond a corporation's vicarious liability. But a pattern of misconduct, engaged in by mulitple employees over an extended period of time may well be treated with less latitude--especially where criminal conduct is involved.


As a parent company, News Corp is basically a share holder of the now dissolved News of the World.



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20 Jul 2011, 4:58 pm

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As a parent company, News Corp is basically a share holder of the now dissolved News of the World.


You're gonna have to explain that one.

Because I'm pretty sure there are a number of hard and fast business regulations with regard to when you own or don't own a company.



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20 Jul 2011, 5:18 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
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As a parent company, News Corp is basically a share holder of the now dissolved News of the World.


You're gonna have to explain that one.

Because I'm pretty sure there are a number of hard and fast business regulations with regard to when you own or don't own a company.


You can own a company as the majority shareholder, but you aren't liable for any stunt the company pulls without your knowledge. Murdoch is the head of News Corp, he wasn't the head of News of the World, his company was just the majority shareholder, meaning while it had some say on who was running News of the World, they probably didn't know what was going on in day to day operations.



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20 Jul 2011, 5:20 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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As a parent company, News Corp is basically a share holder of the now dissolved News of the World.


You're gonna have to explain that one.

Because I'm pretty sure there are a number of hard and fast business regulations with regard to when you own or don't own a company.


You can own a company as the majority shareholder, but you aren't liable for any stunt the company pulls without your knowledge. Murdoch is the head of News Corp, he wasn't the head of News of the World, his company was just the majority shareholder, meaning while it had some say on who was running News of the World, they probably didn't know what was going on in day to day operations.


News International acquired News Of The World as a purchase, not as a stock takeover.

Murdoch has stated that he has proprietary control of it.

You're pulling stuff out of your ass to protect your ideology here. We're starting to get embarrassed for you.



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20 Jul 2011, 6:09 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
As a parent company, News Corp is basically a share holder of the now dissolved News of the World.


You're gonna have to explain that one.

Because I'm pretty sure there are a number of hard and fast business regulations with regard to when you own or don't own a company.


You can own a company as the majority shareholder, but you aren't liable for any stunt the company pulls without your knowledge. Murdoch is the head of News Corp, he wasn't the head of News of the World, his company was just the majority shareholder, meaning while it had some say on who was running News of the World, they probably didn't know what was going on in day to day operations.


News International acquired News Of The World as a purchase, not as a stock takeover.

Murdoch has stated that he has proprietary control of it.

It doesn't have to be a stock takeover, because there are public corporations and private corporations. News Corp may have been the owner, but News of the World was its own corporate entity. Companies do this a lot, especially in the movie business in case something happens on the set, the whole company can't be sued.
You're pulling stuff out of your ass to protect your ideology here. We're starting to get embarrassed for you.



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22 Jul 2011, 11:51 am

Inuyasha wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Okay say you are the manager of a company and one of your employees got drunk and drove one of your forklifts into a school bus, and it was your day off. Should you be held responsible for the employee (assuming there was nothing to suggest beforehand that said employee was an alcoholic)?


It depends what you mean by "responsible."

If you speaking of cirminal liability for, say, "dangerous operation of a motor vehicle," then clearly not. The employee was the one who was drunk and the one who had care and control of the forklift. Criminal liability attaches to him.

But in the area of civil liability, liability would attach to the employer under the doctrine of "vicarious liability." In the case of a coporation with limited liability, liability attaches to the corporation, but not to the shareholders.

There are also numerous areas in which the directors of corporation are personally liable for the debts of the corporation--some by statute and others at Common Law.

Finally, there are numerous circumstances in which a court will find that a person has kept himself "wilfully blind" to activities undertaken in an area of his responsibility. In such circumstances the court may impute "constructive knowledge" to the person. The phrase, "knew or ought properly to have known," is meant to capture constructive knowledge.

Single incidents of misconduct will not, generally, attach beyond a corporation's vicarious liability. But a pattern of misconduct, engaged in by mulitple employees over an extended period of time may well be treated with less latitude--especially where criminal conduct is involved.


As a parent company, News Corp is basically a share holder of the now dissolved News of the World.


I have broken my usual practice of deleting previous messages in the quote, in order to preserve another typical example of Inuyasha moving the goalposts.

You began by speaking of an employers responsibility for the misconduct of an employee, and now you have replied with the entirely different issue of a parent company's liability for a subsidiary.


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22 Jul 2011, 1:20 pm

visagrunt wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
visagrunt wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Okay say you are the manager of a company and one of your employees got drunk and drove one of your forklifts into a school bus, and it was your day off. Should you be held responsible for the employee (assuming there was nothing to suggest beforehand that said employee was an alcoholic)?


It depends what you mean by "responsible."

If you speaking of cirminal liability for, say, "dangerous operation of a motor vehicle," then clearly not. The employee was the one who was drunk and the one who had care and control of the forklift. Criminal liability attaches to him.

But in the area of civil liability, liability would attach to the employer under the doctrine of "vicarious liability." In the case of a coporation with limited liability, liability attaches to the corporation, but not to the shareholders.

There are also numerous areas in which the directors of corporation are personally liable for the debts of the corporation--some by statute and others at Common Law.

Finally, there are numerous circumstances in which a court will find that a person has kept himself "wilfully blind" to activities undertaken in an area of his responsibility. In such circumstances the court may impute "constructive knowledge" to the person. The phrase, "knew or ought properly to have known," is meant to capture constructive knowledge.

Single incidents of misconduct will not, generally, attach beyond a corporation's vicarious liability. But a pattern of misconduct, engaged in by mulitple employees over an extended period of time may well be treated with less latitude--especially where criminal conduct is involved.


As a parent company, News Corp is basically a share holder of the now dissolved News of the World.


I have broken my usual practice of deleting previous messages in the quote, in order to preserve another typical example of Inuyasha moving the goalposts.

You began by speaking of an employers responsibility for the misconduct of an employee, and now you have replied with the entirely different issue of a parent company's liability for a subsidiary.


I actually just changed arguments, because after I thought about it, I realized that a better example of what is actually going on is similar to a stockholder being held responsible for the actions of a company for no other reason than he owns a majority share of the stock.



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22 Jul 2011, 2:37 pm

Fair enough--that's a legitimate change of approach--though it probably would have been clearer if you had said that, given the context of an ongoing thread.

It will be very interesting if the allegations regarding The Sunday Times hold water. If that's the case, and the practices were undertaken in more than one News Corp. property, then the ability to pierce the corporate veil and look to the directing minds of the parent corporation will become stronger. So long as the dirt is confined to NOTW, Murdoch can, will at least some credibility, disclaim actual or constructive knowledge. If it spreads to one or more of his other papers, that credibility will be diminished.


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22 Jul 2011, 3:19 pm

Imagine if NPR, or an organization to which George Soros had contributed, were to have committed a similar crime?

The goal posts would be moving in the other direction.