The "No Kids Allowed" Movement

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All sorts of cultural things are being read into it but it's nothing more than a business decision. A restaurant will do whatever brings them the most money. If noisy kids bring in lots of money (because their parents spend a lot) then they will be allowed. If the restaurant loses customers who spend a lot because of the kid disruption, then they will ban the kids or make it kid-unfriendly perhaps by having only expensive, obscure food and no booster seats.


It's all about money. If you want to tip the balance to no kids, you have to vote with your wallet and spend your money only in kid-less restaurants. If you are a parent and wants to tip the balance towards kids, you also have to vote with your wallet and spend lots of money- perhaps by buying expensive entrees even if the kids won't eat them.

Restaurants will favor whatever brings in the most money.

Granted, but if you've ever worked in customer service of any kind, you would be aware that there is usually a sort of fog of vaguery preventing management from fully understanding the concerns of repeat customers.

I do not think we need or would benefit from a "movement" but it is appropriate and helpful for people to politely communicate customer experience concerns to management.

Many people don't eat out at fully-formed restaurants here in the UK but instead eat at pubs, which have in more than a few cases become not that much more than an eatery that serves beer rather than a pub that serves food. Many of the pubs like that in my hometown have become a bit like this; result being I don't go any more.

My point is that I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the time people go to pubs looking to eat but simply turn on their heels and bail after surveying the scene yet the publicans chase customers who don't spend much.

It has even been known for mothers to congregate at pubs with their babies and sip their drinks for hours - in times gone by the landlord would have booted them out because they are more of a drain and they're also off-putting for other customers.

Men don't really have any places to congregate any more where they can be just that: men.

What about mammary-themed drinking establishments?

Strip pubs? They exist still here in the UK although local authorities are doing their very best to eradicate them from our cultural history.

Do you mean pubs for women? That would probably be wine bars. But women don't generally go out on their own - hell, quite often, men don't go out on their own!

I meant places with strippers, yes, not that i personally see the appeal. So much deception. My ability to suspend disbelief does not stretch that far.

But it has gotten to the point that even a hardware store or lumber yard isn't entirely a manly place anymore.

We're talking about three different types of environments here:

Strip pubs (there really aren't many of these left in the UK and the ones that do exist are generally to be found in the odd rough town in the south-east of England or in old trawling towns)
Strip clubs (there are quite a number of these about; they generally cater to middle-class, middle-aged men)
Clip joints (usually a strip club or entertainment bar, typically one claiming to offer adult entertainment or bottle service, in which a man is usually seated at a table and joined by a "hostess," who may or may not order drinks - these drinks are often watered-down and/or warm and are exorbitantly expensive - £40 for a glass of warm lager from a can, and so on)

And that sort of thing.

How quickly this conversation turned from anti-child to anti-woman!
Wonder why that is?
People who don't like children tend to be misogynistic men, maybe?
Just throwin' it out there, not sayin' it's so.

I haven't a clue why you say that. A lot of the problems with a***hole parents are down to them both - not just the woman who won't take responsibility, but thuggish men as well.

If you're talking about strip clubs, I don't see how women are being exploited there. In legit places they make a considerable wedge for flashing their breasts and bum about the place. They supply to meet a demand. If anything it's the men who visit these places who are really being exploited but they like it, so let them.

Damn women builders and DIYers. Get back in the kitchen!


Appears to suggest women are unwelcome in pubs and should drink elsewhere.



Thus, it seems the conversation has changed from one about banning children to one about banning women.
In short order, too.

No, I'm on about pubs specially for women. Women are of course welcome in pubs. It has historically been a male-dominated atmosphere, though, just as I'd expect a café full of women to be a female-dominated atmosphere and a place I wouldn't be welcome. One just goes elsewhere.



I never mentioned banning women - taking what I said entirely out of context.

If women can have areas where men would feel uncomfortable, why shouldn't the same apply to women...

DOUBLE STANDARDS! Snork.

This is why I *cannot* have a job or career requiring me to deal with the general public.
I'd shoot someone in the face.

Fixed!

That's pretty sexist. You really think misbehaved children are solely the fault of fathers and having a complete disregard for others is a male "thing"?

I simply can not believe all the hatred you seem to have for children!! !

They are people too and should not be discriminated!

I am an adult but the children are always important to me!! !
How can a human being say another human is inferior becuase of age!?
Most children are alot more intelligent the you would think!! !

as for the one you thinks both the young and old should be bannned from pulblic... YOU must be very cruel and hateful...

just when i thought people on this website were understanding of differences becuase we are so different...

have you forgot the importance of being a child!! ! I never will...
how would you feel to be called "inferior" becuase of your age...
All children and old people deserve more respect. it goes both ways!! !

No one said something remotely close to humans being "inferior because of age".
What is being discussed presently is a noticeable trend toward private establishments exercising their right to refuse service to whoever they see fit,
in particular families with children, because of the overwhelming number of children who do not or cannot control themselves and parents who are indifferent or even defensive about the effect of their child's behavior on others.