The 5 Biggest Lies Told about Oslo Shooter Anders Breivik

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31 Jul 2011, 4:59 pm

It seems to me that his logic was sound, but he had one faulty assumption. And that assumption is promoted by our own governments because it gets them elected.

His logic:
1. Islam is in competition with the west. More or less true. Pretty much everyone is in competition: every business, every government every culture, every animal. Cultures always evolve. Some groups win some lose. Doesn't have to be that way, but it has been that way for millennia. Just ask the Native Americans, or the Welsh.

2. The west could drive them out if we wished. This is true. We could. I think it would be a very bad idea, but it is certainly an option if enough people want it.

3. Small acts of terror can change the world. This is the flaw in his logic. Terrorism kills fewer people than almost any major disease you care to mention. It destroys less property than any major economic cause (recession, arson, hurricanes, etc.) It cannot change anything, so it is not a logical course of action...

...except our governments make it a logical act by rewarding terrorists with exactly what they want: fear and publicity. 9/11 did not change the world (more people die of hunger every 3 hours than died from 9/11), but the reaction to 9/11 was what changed the world.

Our reaction is the problem,. Our reaction is what makes terrorism a logical choice for extremists. If we did not react out of proportion then the logical course for extremists would be to get involved in conventional politics instead. But why should they when we reward them so handsomly for planting bombs?

Next time somebody dies in a bomb, I want it reported on the news - after all the people who have died in car accidents, disease, accidents at work, malnutrition, and so on. Those other deaths are just as painful, just as unpredictable, but they kill more people. If compassion and saving lives are our priority we should act accordingly. in my opinion.



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31 Jul 2011, 5:09 pm

^Very good point! I wonder if it's because when something involves murder, it's more sensationalist than say, world hunger, which is in large part OUR fault so it's not as fun to get all righteously indignated about.

As a pacifist, I oppose all forms of terrorism, and even if I wasn't, terrorism is always going to help the OPPOSITE side because it makes the other side seem more sane and rational in comparison to the agenda the terrorist was promoting. In fact, in a strange way, Breivik might have saved the Muslims from being kicked out of Europe or even exterminated like the Jews were 65 years ago, because now there is a moral outrage against terrorists that are not Muslims.



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31 Jul 2011, 6:16 pm

trappedinhell wrote:

3. Small acts of terror can change the world. This is the flaw in his logic. Terrorism kills fewer people than almost any major disease you care to mention. It destroys less property than any major economic cause (recession, arson, hurricanes, etc.) It cannot change anything, so it is not a logical course of action...

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The assassination of Archduke Franz Josef in Sarajevo triggered the Great War which lead to over 20 million dead. A "small act of terrorism" with large consequnces.

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31 Jul 2011, 6:44 pm

ruveyn wrote:
The assassination of Archduke Franz Josef in Sarajevo triggered the Great War which lead to over 20 million dead. A "small act of terrorism" with large consequnces.

That is a perfect example of what I mean. The terrorist only killed one person. Just one. The problem was not the terrorist, but the insane reaction.



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02 Aug 2011, 3:00 pm

Thought that Steve Sailor had an interesting write up on the Norwegian shooter.

"The Norwegian terrorist"

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2011/08/norw ... orist.html

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I've got a 4,000-word article up at American Conservative on Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian terrorist. I think you'll find that it explains more about this whole horrible event than you'll find elsewhere. First, here are a few random observations:

Breivik, a smug egomaniac who boasts, “I have an extremely strong psyche (stronger than anyone I have ever known),” looks rather like a 1975 Chevy Chase signing off from Weekend Update on “Saturday Night Live” with the catchphrase, “I’m Chevy Chase … and you’re not.” ...
Breivik’s weightlifting and narcissism—“I’m in the middle of another steroid cycle at the moment … I have a more or less perfect body”—call to mind Yukio Mishima, the bisexual militarist novelist and bodybuilder who attempted to overthrow Japanese democracy in 1970. Mishima then committed ritual seppuku, stabbing himself and having an acolyte behead him. (But notice the “more or less” in Breivik’s boast; Breivik is always tempted by the Norwegian urge to try to appear reasonable.)
The Norwegian killer’s assault is reminiscent of the 1997 shootout in North Hollywood, in which two steroid-using, body-armor-wearing bankrobbers fired 1,101 rounds of ammunition at the LAPD. At the time, they were assumed to be the first of an inevitable wave of unstoppable Terminator-like criminals. Fortunately, 14 years later, they remain the American high-water mark for criminals who could have appeared in a Michael Mann movie like “Heat.” Hopefully, Breivik will remain an outlier.