Christian ideals and executive politics.
Adding onto the mormon theme above - because i choose to stay well away from "hot button" issues in this thread - mormons are strongly discouraged from conducting business on Sunday except in cases of emergency or illness.
In most states in the USA, Sunday is the busiest day by far for grocery stores. Not so in Utah. The ones that are open do enough business to justify being open, but it's a slow day. My favorite day to visit Costco, for sure.
Some mormons feel more strongly about this than others. Certainly in Provo, mormons don't recognize each-other at the grocery store on Sunday in much the same way that methodists don't recognize each-other at the liquor store. Or at least, mormons will make up some line about how they were missing just one or two ingredients required for Sunday dinner.
One of my younger brothers went through a phase where he refused to set the table or assist in meal preparations on Sunday. In response to that, Mom invited him to go hungry, as the same rule forbids him from causing others to work on Sunday. It was a short phase.
I knew one who would do business on Sunday but pay with checks post-dated to Monday.
I worked for one Mormon who threatened an employee with termination if he worked on Sunday, but had no issues helping customers bend the law to pay for our products. (long story, suffice to say our customers were government entities).
I live in an area of Utah where there are no alcohol sales permitted on Sunday. This is fairly common but if i drive 20 miles north or south i can get more 4.0% ABV beer if i really feel like i want it that bad. It does make me wonder how drunk they think people can get on weak beer. The liquor stores are closed regardless. I wouldn't go to the bars that we have around here even if they were open.
But there are, in fact, cities in Utah that have passed ordinances banning all retail business on Sunday.
So, ask yourself, as a non-mormon, how would you feel about having your mormon government tell you that you simply can't do any shopping on Sunday - strictly because your governors are themselves forbidden from shopping on Sunday?
It's a minor example, but I'd like to stick with minor examples in this thread to avoid hyperbolic discussions.
Being an atheist, I'm not going to get into the murky issue of whether Governor Rick Perry is Christian enough. However, to answer OP's questions, my opinions are:
1. A public official should not use his or her official position, resources, or funds to promote religion. That said, a public official still has the right to practice religion freely, but any religious activity must be as a private individual rather than as a public official. Thus Governor Perry can host a religious rally, but he should not sponsor it as governor or use state funds to organize it. Even if it is done in a personal rather than public capacity, however, it may still be in bad taste because the governor would still be sending a message of solidarity with evangelical Christians and not with other religious views in his state. Real people don't make a fine legal/Constitutional distinction between Rick Perry as governor of Texas, Rick Perry as Republican presidential hopeful, and Rick Perry as private citizen.
2. It is murky to discuss what is or is not Christian teaching and what is imperative for a Christian to do. However, I am sympathetic to Kathleen Kennedy Townsend's argument that an interpretation of the Bible that mandates public action to oppose gay marriage and other socially conservative positions should, in fairness, include the more liberal, welfare-state-supporting tenets. Most Christians seem to divine an interpretation of the Bible and religion that suits their preconceived political ideology and lifestyle, though.
3. Someone's religious views are likely to have an impact on their policy aims, and this seems fair because foundational principles (inspired by religion, philosophy, ideology, personal experience, etc.) are going to be reflected in anyone's idea of the wisest course of action. The Constitution does, however, restrict a public official's enforcement of his or her views on others. Thus policy can be religiously, philosophically, or scientifically inspired, but it must remain within the bounds of the Constitution.
4. If a candidate makes their religion a theme of their campaign, inevitably, any hypocrisy will be debated. Another question is whether such a campaign is unnecessarily alienating and divisive to voters/constituents who don't share the candidate's/official's religious views. I would say so; I would say I do not feel represented by a politician who uses religion as the central basis of their decision making and public message. Of course, many on the hard Right don't identify with Barack Obama and so don't feel represented by him; this leads them to question his legitimacy as President and even his birth. Insofar as President George W. Bush tied himself to the Religious Right, I did not feel he fully represented me as President. I did not consider him to be lacking in the authority to act as President although I disagreed with the Supreme Court's ruling in Bush v. Gore. If a President were even more Evangelical than Bush and, say, openly pushed policies that directly infringed on my freedom as an atheist, then, yes, I would definitely deny his authority insofar as he was acting contrary to the Constitution and would probably deny his authority as President altogether although I may not be in doubt to his legitimacy as sitting President. The difference is, even if I acknowledge this President was duly and legally elected by the popular vote and the Electoral College and legally inaugurated as President (thus legitimate), I would be compelled to disobey any law/order that infringes on my freedom to not practice religion and feel the act diminishes all authority in my eyes. This may be the rationale of many Tea Partiers in regards to President Obama, health reform, and the individual mandate although I do not see the same fundamental infringement that they do.
It's a minor example, but I'd like to stick with minor examples in this thread to avoid hyperbolic discussions.
My intuition is that it violates the Establishment Clause, but parlaying that into a legal argument that could convince the Supreme Court is another matter.
My rationale, though, is something like this:
- Restriction on alcohol sales and business conducted on Sundays is peculiar to a certain few religions, and neither can really be justified on secular grounds.
- Those who do not share these religious views and wish to conduct the activity will feel their freedom is being violated.
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A fundamentalist religious right politician will be defending the Constitution of the Confederate States of America at least on a subconscious level. In his mind since the Bible defends slavery it is a perfectly acceptable institution. So his way of promoting slavery will be to constantly think of ways to cheat the working man. The first thing he will eliminate is unemployment insurance because of course slaves do not need this protection.
You have no empirical basis for inferring what goes on at the "subconscious level" of anyone but yourself. You cannot read the mind of other people. I cannot. No one can.
Your are simply amplifying your own prejudice in psychological terms.
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It is a known fact that all religious fundamentalists take the Bible literally and believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. The Bible allows certain forms of temporary slavery and fundamentalists are required to approve of these forms of slavery. A Fundamentalist may not advertise their politically uncorrect beliefs but nevertheless they are forbidden to declare that the Bible is wrong.
Christian fundamentalists, to be exact. You might be surprised to learn that not all Christians are fundamentalists.
You might also be surprised to learn how much leeway interpretation and context gives even to a literal inerrantist. For example, it would likely be said by a fundamentalist that the rules you're referring to were intended specifically for ancient Israel, a nation that no longer exists, and that such rules could only apply when all other related rules were in force.
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"A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it." --G. K. Chesterton
Why? What exactly is the difference between environmentalists disapproving of nuclear reactors and Mormons disapproving of alcohol?
If alcohol is bad, then what is wrong with their opposing it?
You could argue that alcohol isn't bad, but then you're just disagreeing with them.
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"A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it." --G. K. Chesterton
Philologos - I was questioning placing higher value on the oath of a Christian politician vs non-Christian... I know plenty of non-Christians who are very honest and trustworthy. I'm not Christian, and I try as hard as I can to be honest, straightforward, dependable, and true to my word, and it has nothing to do with whether I do or don't believe in a god or gods.. I can look back at the history of US Presidents, to the best of my knowledge, all of whom have claimed some sort of Christian affiliation, and see some very glaring non-Christian actions.
Politicians are politicians first, human second, Christian or not.. third. Christianity doesn't make me trust them any more, maybe even a little less if they are propping up their faith as a testament to their worthiness. It makes me think they are hiding behind it. It would be like me saying that anyone should feel outright comfortable leaving their child with me simply because I'm a mom... Being a mom doesn't make me a good parent or guarantee that I'm responsible... Just like saying I'm Christian wouldn't.
Governor Perry has just as much right to publicly show his faith, as any other American.
Right thing for the wrong reason.
"Freedom OF religion" includes "freedom FROM religion" ( meaning being able to opt out of religion - not meaning religion has to be quaranteened). But that has no bareing on the issue.
A politician has a right to profess his faith ( or profess atheism for that matter) from the lectern in his role as a politician. And the people have a right to either embrace him or get pissed off at him for it. Like you said - its all protected under the first amendment as free speech.
Dont know anything about rick perry, but concievebly a politician could be too sectarian, or too fanatical, in his speehifying. But even that isnt illeagle, or even immoral. Its just bad taste- which isnt against the law. Just dont vote for the guy if you dont like it.
Pooh pah pooh.
Could we not at least TRY to talk about reality not fantasy?
Find me this "fundamentalist Religious Right politician - you NEED the caps because the construct in your mind called "Religious Right" MIGHT be religious in some sense but is far from right in any sense.
The overwhelming stench of political discourse on PPR is bad enough without blowing out this kjnd of gas.
Why? What exactly is the difference between environmentalists disapproving of nuclear reactors and Mormons disapproving of alcohol?
If alcohol is bad, then what is wrong with their opposing it?
You could argue that alcohol isn't bad, but then you're just disagreeing with them.
OK, so you're taking the "alcohol is unhealthy" angle.
How about the shopping on sunday question?
