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Oodain
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22 Aug 2011, 3:33 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
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My take on malthus' theories on population - and I apologize if I'm not well enough read on him, i haven't put much thought into his theories in about 15 years - was that he based them on pre-industrial-revolution data.

Mechanization. Artificial fertilizer. Selective breeding of crops and livestock. Direct manipulation of recombinant DNA. Our ability to support increased population has come a long ways in the last 200 years.


yet never has more people gone without water, food and energy.

in rwanda they are right now struggling because there simply isnt enough land at all, never mind equipment for modern farming technique, this results in people selling their land to western investors who then proceed planting a cash crop, ie. not food. in the end it will make it even harder for them to be self supporting.


We produce enough food to feed everybody. These are political failings.


i dont think we do (not to western standards at least)

if we lived like the average indian then we would be able to support around 10 billion or so.

if you look at how much hunger there is in the world today then i would agree much of it is political and consumerism psychology at work, but keep in mind that in a century we will have hit the limit of that 10 billion anyway.

keep in mind these numbers are of course very incomplete as there is a huge amount of variables but in the end all that needs doing is look at the food shortage in africa right now to see there is a problem, maybe politics or a lack of modern equipment is to blame but in the future we will still be facing this question.


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22 Aug 2011, 3:37 pm

blauSamstag wrote:

We produce enough food to feed everybody. These are political failings.


If by "we you mean the U.S.A. it is not the case. We could not feed the people of China and India combined (nearly 3 billion).

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22 Aug 2011, 10:26 pm

Human kind, world wide, produces enough food to feed every human being.

There are technicalities - a lot of that food gets fed to cows or turned into fuel or booze.

Regardless, I do not think that there is evidence that we are at the limits of arable land. And at any rate, I believe that additional technology is the answer to our problems. GMO crops specifically, and people best get over their qualms about it. Maybe when they are hungry enough they will.