A market-driven solution to the abortion discussion

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22 Aug 2011, 10:50 am

zer0netgain wrote:

Already happening.

People don't realize that water filtration tech for public water DOES NOT remove many, many chemicals passed on in waste such as medications including anti-pregnancy pills. It's messing with the hormone balances of both men and women in the USA and other westernized nations.

The government doesn't need to put stuff in the water to screw you an a daily basis.

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22 Aug 2011, 11:17 am

I bet Octo-Mom thinks she is making up for all those babies aborted so that is why she is entitled.

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22 Aug 2011, 11:21 am

zer0netgain wrote:

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zer0netgain wrote:

What I find repugnant about the abortion issue in law is how it's all about the WOMAN's choice. The father has no say about if an abortion should or should not be performed. He can't compel the mother to give birth

Why the hell should he have that right? It's her health, her body at risk when she goes through pregnancy, her who could end up with incontinence and other issues, why the f**k should he get to decide that someone else must go through a serious medical condition so he can have the baby he wants?

Because pregnancy is not about the woman. It's about both the father and mother. A woman's right to her body terminates when she willfully gives herself to a man and it results in becoming pregnant. What is inside of her is 50% the man's DNA. If brought to term, the law will compel the man to support that child for the next 18 years. Still, the man gets no say in anything, it's all reserved to the woman. That's an utterly one-sided view of the issue, and the law is not supposed to be lopsided as such.

That the woman must bear 9 months of pregnancy is a ludicrous argument when the man is going to be forced to support her choice no matter what it is. Both sides are equally invested.

Now, if the woman refuses to ID the father or does not know, I can see the argument swinging on that, but by leaving him utterly out of the process, he won't be held accountable for any choices made. However, when the father is brought in, he should have his rights represented.

The consequences are not, in fact, equal for the mother.

Sorry, being sad or hurt because you wanted a child is not the same as being forced through 9 months of pregnancy. Why should she have her entire body, her health, her endocrine system affected because of HIS WANTS?

You want a child? Go find a woman who knows for sure she wants to have a baby.

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22 Aug 2011, 1:25 pm

Ah, so.

Yes, Virginia, there IS a "market driven" solution for the abortion question in two easy steps:

A. save sex for marriage

B. marry the right person

Why did we never think of that?

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22 Aug 2011, 1:45 pm

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Pay individual women on welfare not to have children with a very large sum if the women gets her tubes tied. This will solve two problems: overpopulation and poverty.

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That would be abused by women who don't want children, anyway. For instance, I would be tempted to go on welfare just to get the cash and the bonus of not having to take hormonal contraceptives any more. You'd get lots of middle-class childfree women quitting their jobs!

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22 Aug 2011, 1:56 pm

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A woman's right to her body terminates when she willfully gives herself to a man and it results in becoming pregnant.

That sentence disturbs me. Do you really think a woman terminates the right to her body by having consensual sex (and accidentally getting pregnant)?

Do you really think women 'give' you their body during sex? Funny, men don't ever seem to have their bodily rights terminated. My body always belongs to me even when I'm shagging, thankyouverymuch. It would still belong to me if, heaven forbid, I ever got pregnant.

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22 Aug 2011, 2:01 pm

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IDontGetIt wrote:

Another controversial one I heard: Put contraceptive chemicals in the water supply. You have to apply for the antidote if you wish to raise a child.

I forgot I changed your classification from political nut to conspiracy crackpot the other day. Thank you for reminding me of that.

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22 Aug 2011, 2:05 pm

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Pay individual women on welfare not to have children with a very large sum if the women gets her tubes tied. This will solve two problems: overpopulation and poverty.

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But doesn't that have the sinister ring of eugenics to it?

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22 Aug 2011, 3:24 pm

india tried in the 70'ies with vasectomies, unfortunately it all backfired rather horribly.

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22 Aug 2011, 3:38 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Pay individual women on welfare not to have children with a very large sum if the women gets her tubes tied. This will solve two problems: overpopulation and poverty.

ruveyn

But doesn't that have the sinister ring of eugenics to it?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Are you interested in a solution, or not? Being sentimental is not useful in solving difficult problems.

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22 Aug 2011, 5:46 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Pay individual women on welfare not to have children with a very large sum if the women gets her tubes tied. This will solve two problems: overpopulation and poverty.

ruveyn

But doesn't that have the sinister ring of eugenics to it?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Are you interested in a solution, or not? Being sentimental is not useful in solving difficult problems.

ruveyn

There are solutions, then there are solutions. Those solutions that treat a group of people as less than human is closer to a final solution, which is what you're doing if you want to fix people as if they were pets.

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22 Aug 2011, 6:26 pm

Philologos wrote:

Ah, so.

Yes, Virginia, there IS a "market driven" solution for the abortion question in two easy steps:

A. save sex for marriage

B. marry the right person

Why did we never think of that?

You forgot:

C. Stop having sex with your spouse as soon as you reach the number of children you are both satisfied with (for most couples, this occurs within about 5 years).

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22 Aug 2011, 6:27 pm

puddingmouse wrote:

zer0netgain wrote:

A woman's right to her body terminates when she willfully gives herself to a man and it results in becoming pregnant.

Puddingmouse QFT.

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22 Aug 2011, 6:28 pm

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You would rather take care of their unwanted and unnecessary children?

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22 Aug 2011, 7:12 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

You would rather take care of their unwanted and unnecessary children?

ruveyn

Are they not, too, human?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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22 Aug 2011, 7:48 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

You would rather take care of their unwanted and unnecessary children?

ruveyn

Are they not, too, human?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Irrelevant. Hitler was human too. So what?

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