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25 Aug 2011, 9:00 am

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I think we will naturally shift that way as technology allows it, the biggest challenge at that point being what we will do to keep people engage, healthy, and mentally active as more and more people don't need to work.


Despise them for being the scrounging scum that they are and starve them to death if the current trajectory is continued. :roll:

Lol, that's the current trajectory? It's getting significantly worse not better for the poor as a function of time? Sounds like you're at least a few decades light of an accurate assessment.


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26 Aug 2011, 3:02 pm

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"Socialism from below" can lead to events like the "Killing Fields" in Cambodia.

Pol Pot and many other leaders of the Khmer Rouge were French-educated intellectuals although intellectualism among the populace, or even the most superficial trappings of it like glasses, were not tolerated.



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26 Aug 2011, 3:52 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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yea, what is socialism from below? Pol Pot's Year Zero?

Dictatorship of any sort evil and wrong


True, but why would socialism require a dictatorship?


It will. It will require force or the threat of force to make a person given an advantage to some one else's kid in preference to his own.

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26 Aug 2011, 4:08 pm

who said in preference of?

define your "use of force", to some extent all countries use force to regulate behavior.


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26 Aug 2011, 5:49 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
"Socialism from below" can lead to events like the "Killing Fields" in Cambodia.

Pol Pot and many other leaders of the Khmer Rouge were French-educated intellectuals although intellectualism among the populace, or even the most superficial trappings of it like glasses, were not tolerated.


That's a good point. My personal bias against Pol Pot tends to cause me to disqualify him and his ilk from "intellectual" status but you could definitely say they were intellectuals in their own right. I guess Kampuchea was something of a mix between from above and below. Overall more of a tragic nightmare though


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