Obres wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
America has been moving in a socialist trend since Bush entered the white-house as the percent of government spending has been steadily increasing first with 2 wars, a medical prescription drug plan, pursuing both while cutting taxes from clinton-era rates, multiple bailouts including the stimulus plan, obamacare, etc
We spend like socialists but we don't live like socialists because of the two wars in Iraq y Afghanistan and our social safety net is largely aimed at the elderly. It is a liberal's wet dream to see our total spending right now be largely domestic, we could afford half of those uber-expensive high-speed rail, give teachers 6-figure salaries, bailout print journalism, repave all of our roads and provide government welfare and healthcare to all the illegal immigrants they want to grant amnesty to.
Tax cuts and bailouts of privately owned corporations are the exact opposite of socialist. War is not (directly, or supposed to be) connected with a nation's economic system, and Obamacare was a joke that didn't really change anything. And consequently, if guys in finance routinely make 6 figures, which they do, and basically do nothing except f**k up the economy, which again, they do, then you bet your ass teachers should make at least that much. Oh, and as for high speed rail and re-paving highways, ask any other country, either modern or developing, and I'm sure they'll tell you that something as silly as "infrastructure" - oh the absurdity of it - is a complete waste of time and money.
no i like the roads part... that is true infrastucture spending since it actually lends itself to the economy in that every passanger mile traveled yields revenue not just for our economy but for our government who has to maintain it. the high-speed rail and expanding transit is where liberals are wrong. but thats the point... there's good infrastructure spending, and then there's a liberal's fantasy which has nothing to do with the economy and passed under the guise of infrastructure. And yes... do ask any modern country like France or Japan the question: How much of your High Speed Rail is subsidized and they will have a low number for you because it is a government backed enterprise.
look, the top 100 CEO's net 2 billion dollars in annual income and the top-earning 25 people in entertainment also net 2 billion dollars in income but one does it for the arts and the other is a capitalist pig. The top most well-payed CEO's in that top 100 don't come from finance either. Teachers should make more then they are now but most of the best payed teachers come from california, the are hostile to the Right, and they are graduating really crappy kids who aren't proficient in Math, Writing, or Reading but can tell you why capitalism is bad for our health and for the world. Oh... and their graduation rates are really lousy too... so in other words, it is not based on performance but rather on being a teacher and part of a union.
It does move towards socialist-like spending levels, and we'll end up a cross between China and France.
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25 Aug 2011, 7:47 pm
