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29 Aug 2011, 11:47 pm

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"Rice Christians" refers to the phenomena of impoverished individuals in China "converting" to Christianity in order to gain food (rice) that wasn't in great supply after the (Western induced, Christian missionary supported) Opium Wars.
So because Christians are making sure their fellow christians have enough to eat, and other people are pretending to be christian to get free food its the fault of the christians providing the food? Why don't they go get rice from the buddhist charities instead? oh yeah i forgot buddhists beleive that starving to death is punishment for a previous life and they deserve to die. Hmm, I don't know why people would be changing religion at all :roll:


:lol: Wow, you've officially proven yourself to be on the same level as Inuyasha (hell, you almost seem like the exact same person, but not quite).


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30 Aug 2011, 12:38 am

go to Cambodia and see landmine victims left to die because they are paying for their passed life (this is Buddhists saying this) and then tell me I'm crazy for seeing Buddhism as a brutal are careless religion. Maybe in text books that is not buddhism but that is how buddhism is applied to the real world.


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30 Aug 2011, 1:53 am

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For anyone interested a documentary on the state of Native Americans now:

http://vimeo.com/21074930

(Documentary is in English with Romanian subtitles)

And a book: A little matter of genocide


First part of a dramatic film based on Residential Schools.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZkJhWTfuPw[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXO68LCB8kU&feature=related[/youtube]


Very interesting, thanks for posting!



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30 Aug 2011, 2:02 am

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go to Cambodia and see landmine victims left to die because they are paying for their passed life (this is Buddhists saying this) and then tell me I'm crazy for seeing Buddhism as a brutal are careless religion. Maybe in text books that is not buddhism but that is how buddhism is applied to the real world.


Could you please provide some evidence for your claims?



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30 Aug 2011, 5:32 am

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Could you please provide some evidence for your claims?
What wouldn't be classed as hearsay? I know people that live in cambodia that run an orphanage. I have family members that have gone over to cambodia to help with AIDS education etc. I don't think they thought to get any video of a cambodian saying "buddhists left me to rott and christians are the only ones who will help" but i'm sure you would see that as coerced testimony anyway. I'm not sure what evidence you would accept. If you are serious about wanting to know about Buddhism I can try and find some stuff.


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30 Aug 2011, 9:26 am

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Could you please provide some evidence for your claims?
What wouldn't be classed as hearsay? I know people that live in cambodia that run an orphanage. I have family members that have gone over to cambodia to help with AIDS education etc. I don't think they thought to get any video of a cambodian saying "buddhists left me to rott and christians are the only ones who will help" but i'm sure you would see that as coerced testimony anyway. I'm not sure what evidence you would accept. If you are serious about wanting to know about Buddhism I can try and find some stuff.


Actually I am interested since I couldn't find anything on Google, not that I don't trust you though.



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30 Aug 2011, 1:21 pm

Knifey wrote:
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"Rice Christians" refers to the phenomena of impoverished individuals in China "converting" to Christianity in order to gain food (rice) that wasn't in great supply after the (Western induced, Christian missionary supported) Opium Wars.
So because Christians are making sure their fellow christians have enough to eat, and other people are pretending to be christian to get free food its the fault of the christians providing the food? Why don't they go get rice from the buddhist charities instead? oh yeah i forgot buddhists beleive that starving to death is punishment for a previous life and they deserve to die. Hmm, I don't know why people would be changing religion at all :roll:


I suggest that you learn a little history and see how pretentious and self-serving Christian "concern" for China was, particularly given the missionary support for the Opium Wars. You can start by watching 5 minutes of this lecture, I have it starting at just the right time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfIFU9AMukM#t=7m35s


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01 Sep 2011, 1:52 am

Knifey wrote:
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"Rice Christians" refers to the phenomena of impoverished individuals in China "converting" to Christianity in order to gain food (rice) that wasn't in great supply after the (Western induced, Christian missionary supported) Opium Wars.
So because Christians are making sure their fellow christians have enough to eat, and other people are pretending to be christian to get free food its the fault of the christians providing the food? Why don't they go get rice from the buddhist charities instead? oh yeah i forgot buddhists beleive that starving to death is punishment for a previous life and they deserve to die. Hmm, I don't know why people would be changing religion at all :roll:


The intolerant American missionaries were actually rather ineffective at mass converting the Chinese, despite the fact that the Qing dynasty was collapsing and Western Imperialists had given missionaries unlimited access to China. But the pattern of cheerleading for Western powers as they destroy the local social infastructure and society of various regions and then comming in, after wrecking the place, and offer charity in exchange for converting to Christianity or enduring intolerant Christian religiots is a well-noted pattern across the globe.


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01 Sep 2011, 2:13 am

I just don't really feel like learning anything about American history would be a good use of my time as I am too far removed. I'll just agree with you, who knows more than me, and move on.


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01 Sep 2011, 8:21 pm

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I just don't really feel like learning anything about American history would be a good use of my time as I am too far removed. I'll just agree with you, who knows more than me, and move on.


Way to expand your horizons.



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01 Sep 2011, 8:36 pm

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There are more people of the aboriginal nations in North American now then when the white-eyes first come over. Some genocide.

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01 Sep 2011, 8:38 pm

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There are more people of the aboriginal nations in North American now then when the white-eyes first come over. Some genocide.

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01 Sep 2011, 9:04 pm

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I just don't really feel like learning anything about American history would be a good use of my time as I am too far removed. I'll just agree with you, who knows more than me, and move on.


Way to expand your horizons.


How much do you know about Australia, PNG and Indonesia?


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02 Sep 2011, 8:19 pm

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There are more people of the aboriginal nations in North American now then when the white-eyes first come over. Some genocide.

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Wow. This has got to be one of the most absurd quotes ever. "Genocide" doesn't mean that the population can't rebound a hundred years later.


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02 Sep 2011, 8:30 pm

Knifey wrote:
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Knifey wrote:
I just don't really feel like learning anything about American history would be a good use of my time as I am too far removed. I'll just agree with you, who knows more than me, and move on.


Way to expand your horizons.


How much do you know about Australia, PNG and Indonesia?


Not nearly as much as I'd like to. I find that PPR gives me the opportunity to learn a lot of things I would otherwise never even likely hear about. Through forums similar to this one I have, however, had the opportunity to befriend an Australian and have learned much about the habits of Australian animals and the ways they are protected from traffic. Trivial to some, perhaps. But not to me.

FWIW, I am Canadian, not American. For me, this is a significant fact to point out, because I am often put off by the general lack of knowledge many Americans have of Canada. And, more importantly, their non-desire to learn anything more about their northerly neighbour.



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02 Sep 2011, 8:41 pm

Knifey wrote:
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I just don't really feel like learning anything about American history would be a good use of my time as I am too far removed. I'll just agree with you, who knows more than me, and move on.


Way to expand your horizons.


How much do you know about Australia, PNG and Indonesia?


I'm not sure about Cave Canem, but one of my favourite economists is an Austalian.

http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/


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