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30 Aug 2011, 9:08 am

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7.2% is high but still a dramatic improvement of where it was at the end of 1982 as mentioned. Unfortunately for Obama, unemployment isn't expect to fall below 8.5% by November 2012 and is expect to stay above 8% until at least 2014. Could the predictions be wrong? Absolutely but unfortunately again for Obama, they're usually wrong in the other direction as they have been throughout his term in office. Obama's biggest fear would the economy officially falling back into recession, a much more likely scenario than some rapid recovery.

Just looking at the numbers, it's hard to imagine Obama winning reelection. I won't sell him short tho and he is the incumbent but it would be one for the record books. I think increasingly, his only shot at reelection is if a third party candidate splits the anti-Obama vote which is possible. Could go the other way too and disgruntled member's of Obama's base could abandon him for a possible primary or third party opponent.


You're confusing the issue. The base is more than likely in the bag - that's why they call it the base. your difficulty there is getting them to actually vote.

It's the moderates and so-called swing voters that may change their minds. Not that the RNC has offered a candidate capable of attracting these votes.



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30 Aug 2011, 9:15 am

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7.2% is high but still a dramatic improvement of where it was at the end of 1982 as mentioned. Unfortunately for Obama, unemployment isn't expect to fall below 8.5% by November 2012 and is expect to stay above 8% until at least 2014. Could the predictions be wrong? Absolutely but unfortunately again for Obama, they're usually wrong in the other direction as they have been throughout his term in office. Obama's biggest fear would the economy officially falling back into recession, a much more likely scenario than some rapid recovery.

Just looking at the numbers, it's hard to imagine Obama winning reelection. I won't sell him short tho and he is the incumbent but it would be one for the record books. I think increasingly, his only shot at reelection is if a third party candidate splits the anti-Obama vote which is possible. Could go the other way too and disgruntled member's of Obama's base could abandon him for a possible primary or third party opponent.


I agree with the analysis but it only applies if Romney (or another generic GOP) is the republican candidate.
if Bachmann, Perry or Paul get the Slot Obama gets a second term.
So the ball is in the GOP court how crazy do you want to be?


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30 Aug 2011, 9:50 am

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7.2% is high but still a dramatic improvement of where it was at the end of 1982 as mentioned. Unfortunately for Obama, unemployment isn't expect to fall below 8.5% by November 2012 and is expect to stay above 8% until at least 2014. Could the predictions be wrong? Absolutely but unfortunately again for Obama, they're usually wrong in the other direction as they have been throughout his term in office. Obama's biggest fear would the economy officially falling back into recession, a much more likely scenario than some rapid recovery.

Just looking at the numbers, it's hard to imagine Obama winning reelection. I won't sell him short tho and he is the incumbent but it would be one for the record books. I think increasingly, his only shot at reelection is if a third party candidate splits the anti-Obama vote which is possible. Could go the other way too and disgruntled member's of Obama's base could abandon him for a possible primary or third party opponent.


And yet with those same employment numbers he was at 53% from the Bin Laden bump just recently and normally hovering around the mid-40s for the year. If this is just a temporary dip, the race will still be competitive. His opponent will need to show up and run a good race. Not a McCain race.

I have no ability to predict it this far out. Once the campaign starts, it will be day by day.



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30 Aug 2011, 10:21 am

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You're confusing the issue. The base is more than likely in the bag - that's why they call it the base. your difficulty there is getting them to actually vote.

Obama has no base. He has alienated all of them by repeatedly spitting in their faces. As the most right-wing President of the past 75 years, he sure as hell is not going to win the support of progressives and liberals. As the toughest anti-immigrant President in decades he will not win the Hispanic vote. As one of the most aggressive military interventionist Presidents we've had, he will not win the pro-peace crowd. Even the Congressional Black Caucus, Obama's earliest and most ardent supporters, are fed up with him now. Obama has destroyed his own base in a futile effort to "compromise" with the Republicans and win some conservative votes.


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30 Aug 2011, 10:33 am

He's not trying to win conservatives. He's trying to win Independents by playing the "last reasonable man in DC" card. Clinton tacked right and succeeded using the same game plan. It may or may not work this time.

But Clinton, for all of the right-wing hatred he endured, was doing better in the polls at this point.



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30 Aug 2011, 11:42 am

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This awfully low approval rating is further proof that America wants no neocons in office.


Or the fact people woke up to fact "The chosen One" was nothing more but a lying jackass that pulled the same talk of shady used car salesman. He stood there and promise us "Hope and Change." With unemployment skyrocketing again as well as the national debt doing the same. Add the fact he puyt this Obamacare which will cost us far more.

Shame we can't impeach the little f****r and his little b***h of a wife be investigated for using our tax dollars for her own little ATM.



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30 Aug 2011, 11:50 am

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Well, he's got 14 months to get it back closer to 50 or he'll lose. He was briefly at 53 two months ago.

And of course Reagan hit 35% in 1983. But in 1984 he won 49 states. The quality of the opponent counts for something.

It's possible on paper, but Obama is hardly in the same league as Regan, and his psychological profile indicates he is incapable coping in a crisis situation (and so far those psychiatrists have been right).



Well, Regan was possessed by Satan so she really had some interesting powers. Unless you mean Reagan. As for your analysis, I'll file that in the usual place bubba.

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It would take a miracle. Unemployment fell from a high in 10.8% in Dec 1982 to 7.2% on election day. Economic growth is expected to be about 2% in 2012 while it was 7.2% in 1984. Growth is expected to be 1.6% this year apparently and 1983 was like 4 or 5%.

Obama is in some deep poo poo.


True the economy is unlikely to turn around much. But if polls 14 months out were predictive, Hillary would be president. And a 7.2% unemployment rate doesn't get you 49 states in most races. Quality of opposition is a factor in any race Ive ever seen and Obama campaigns very well. Even with him down at the polls, it's a very close race.


If his campain is still going to be "Blaming Bush," that is going to flop right the get go. If he going to try the "Hope and Change," trust me that would flop even worse.
He is also losing the black vote slowly but surely since black unemployment is at 16 percent. Pretty much the Great Dression for him.
He is pretty much BBQed IMO



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30 Aug 2011, 11:52 am

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He's not trying to win conservatives. He's trying to win Independents by playing the "last reasonable man in DC" card. Clinton tacked right and succeeded using the same game plan. It may or may not work this time.

But Clinton, for all of the right-wing hatred he endured, was doing better in the polls at this point.


With Clintion, the ecomony wasn't as bad. Say what we like about him, at least he wasn't trying to ruin America with socialism like Obamort.



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30 Aug 2011, 11:56 am

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Jacoby wrote:
7.2% is high but still a dramatic improvement of where it was at the end of 1982 as mentioned. Unfortunately for Obama, unemployment isn't expect to fall below 8.5% by November 2012 and is expect to stay above 8% until at least 2014. Could the predictions be wrong? Absolutely but unfortunately again for Obama, they're usually wrong in the other direction as they have been throughout his term in office. Obama's biggest fear would the economy officially falling back into recession, a much more likely scenario than some rapid recovery.

Just looking at the numbers, it's hard to imagine Obama winning reelection. I won't sell him short tho and he is the incumbent but it would be one for the record books. I think increasingly, his only shot at reelection is if a third party candidate splits the anti-Obama vote which is possible. Could go the other way too and disgruntled member's of Obama's base could abandon him for a possible primary or third party opponent.


And yet with those same employment numbers he was at 53% from the Bin Laden bump just recently and normally hovering around the mid-40s for the year. If this is just a temporary dip, the race will still be competitive. His opponent will need to show up and run a good race. Not a McCain race.

I have no ability to predict it this far out. Once the campaign starts, it will be day by day.


Rick Perry could prove to be a formidable foe for Obamort. As much I'm supporting Herman Cain, I wouldn't mind voting for Perry if he gets the nomination.

Also in 2008 before the banks went into meltdown Mccain was actually leading the polls withn Palin. It was the banking crisis that proved to be the game changer.



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30 Aug 2011, 11:56 am

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simon_says wrote:
He's not trying to win conservatives. He's trying to win Independents by playing the "last reasonable man in DC" card. Clinton tacked right and succeeded using the same game plan. It may or may not work this time.

But Clinton, for all of the right-wing hatred he endured, was doing better in the polls at this point.


With Clintion, the ecomony wasn't as bad. Say what we like about him, at least he wasn't trying to ruin America with socialism like Obamort.


grr arrgh i'm an angry angry hockey man. :lol: :lol:


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30 Aug 2011, 12:12 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
7.2% is high but still a dramatic improvement of where it was at the end of 1982 as mentioned. Unfortunately for Obama, unemployment isn't expect to fall below 8.5% by November 2012 and is expect to stay above 8% until at least 2014. Could the predictions be wrong? Absolutely but unfortunately again for Obama, they're usually wrong in the other direction as they have been throughout his term in office. Obama's biggest fear would the economy officially falling back into recession, a much more likely scenario than some rapid recovery.

Just looking at the numbers, it's hard to imagine Obama winning reelection. I won't sell him short tho and he is the incumbent but it would be one for the record books. I think increasingly, his only shot at reelection is if a third party candidate splits the anti-Obama vote which is possible. Could go the other way too and disgruntled member's of Obama's base could abandon him for a possible primary or third party opponent.


And yet with those same employment numbers he was at 53% from the Bin Laden bump just recently and normally hovering around the mid-40s for the year. If this is just a temporary dip, the race will still be competitive. His opponent will need to show up and run a good race. Not a McCain race.

I have no ability to predict it this far out. Once the campaign starts, it will be day by day.


Rick Perry could prove to be a formidable foe for Obamort. As much I'm supporting Herman Cain, I wouldn't mind voting for Perry if he gets the nomination.


You mean the dominionist who used to be a democrat and who's campaign people have recently been stating that the book he published 9 months ago - which he has referenced in campaign speeches as recently as 2 weeks ago - does not accurately portray his positions?

Yeah, Barry must be shaking in his loafers.

By the way i think it's hilarious that you demonize Obama while simultaneously illustrating your immaturity by painting him as a villain from a children's fantasy novel.



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30 Aug 2011, 12:15 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
7.2% is high but still a dramatic improvement of where it was at the end of 1982 as mentioned. Unfortunately for Obama, unemployment isn't expect to fall below 8.5% by November 2012 and is expect to stay above 8% until at least 2014. Could the predictions be wrong? Absolutely but unfortunately again for Obama, they're usually wrong in the other direction as they have been throughout his term in office. Obama's biggest fear would the economy officially falling back into recession, a much more likely scenario than some rapid recovery.

Just looking at the numbers, it's hard to imagine Obama winning reelection. I won't sell him short tho and he is the incumbent but it would be one for the record books. I think increasingly, his only shot at reelection is if a third party candidate splits the anti-Obama vote which is possible. Could go the other way too and disgruntled member's of Obama's base could abandon him for a possible primary or third party opponent.


And yet with those same employment numbers he was at 53% from the Bin Laden bump just recently and normally hovering around the mid-40s for the year. If this is just a temporary dip, the race will still be competitive. His opponent will need to show up and run a good race. Not a McCain race.

I have no ability to predict it this far out. Once the campaign starts, it will be day by day.


Rick Perry could prove to be a formidable foe for Obamort. As much I'm supporting Herman Cain, I wouldn't mind voting for Perry if he gets the nomination.


You mean the dominionist who used to be a democrat and who's campaign people have recently been stating that the book he published 9 months ago - which he has referenced in campaign speeches as recently as 2 weeks ago - does not accurately portray his positions?

Yeah, Barry must be shaking in his loafers.

By the way i think it's hilarious that you demonize Obama while simultaneously illustrating your immaturity by painting him as a villain from a children's fantasy novel.


Not as hilariousv as those like yourself that still see Obama as Jesus Christ. How has that "Hope and change" been working for you so far?



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30 Aug 2011, 12:19 pm

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Or the fact people woke up to fact "The chosen One" was nothing more but a lying jackass that pulled the same talk of shady used car salesman.


Herman Cain will do that too.


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30 Aug 2011, 12:27 pm

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Yeah, Barry must be shaking in his loafers.

By the way i think it's hilarious that you demonize Obama while simultaneously illustrating your immaturity by painting him as a villain from a children's fantasy novel.


Not as hilariousv as those like yourself that still see Obama as Jesus Christ. How has that "Hope and change" been working for you so far?


Have you paid any attention at all? I criticize him all the time for being such a pushover and such a conservative.

But he's still better than W.

Based on his admittedly brief performance as governor of Utah i think Huntsman could make a very reasonable president. It's a shame that nobody has any idea who he is. He's almost to the left of Obama.

Romney might not be too bad. Embarrassing for sure, but he might not do such a bad job.

The rest of the people the RNC has put forth are a bunch of fruitcakes and nutbars that don't stand a chance, and would be an utter disaster if they took office.



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30 Aug 2011, 12:30 pm

The thing I like about Huntsman is that he accepts the findings of science and warned the GOP that they risk becoming the anti-science party (too late).

But he has zero chance with the faithful. They prefer magic.



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30 Aug 2011, 1:46 pm

The Glenn Beck version of Obama would have a far higher approval rating.