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Lecks
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07 Sep 2011, 8:32 am

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Which is better. Trying to fix a rat infest rotting barn, or tearing it down and building a new barn right and proper?

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To be a smartass: get rid of the rats first, then tear down the barn and rebuild.

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07 Sep 2011, 9:57 am

Lecks wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Which is better. Trying to fix a rat infest rotting barn, or tearing it down and building a new barn right and proper?

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To be a smartass: get rid of the rats first, then tear down the barn and rebuild.

Whatever. But the barn must be rebuilt from the ground up.

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07 Sep 2011, 10:45 am

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The Downfall and Doom of every democracy occurs when the politicians raid the public treasury to fund programs that will get them votes. Once that is done, it is just a matter of time before the government and probably the society comes unglued.

A welfare state is a luxury we cannot afford.

Yes, maintain the infrastructure. Yes, maintain public hygene (clean water and waste disposal). Yes, maintain public order. No, do not subsidize deadbeats and corrupt players.

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Bwahahahaha....you actually expect the government to stop bailing out the very corporations and banks that fill their campaign coffers? Cute. :lol:

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07 Sep 2011, 10:53 am

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And we would be better off plunged into a second Great Depression due to a massive run on the banks where 30% of the population lose both their job and their life savings. We could go back to the days of the 19th century "Great Panics". You're better off keeping all your money under your f***ing mattress than leaving it with the sleaze balls. That's some old school capitalism for ya.

Which is better. Trying to fix a rat infest rotting barn, or tearing it down and building a new barn right and proper?

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It will never be right and proper as long as greedy sleaze balls are in charge.

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07 Sep 2011, 10:55 am

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Bwahahahaha....you actually expect the government to stop bailing out the very corporations and banks that fill their campaign coffers? Cute. :lol:

For better or for worse we still decide our political fate with a vote. It is within the realm of possibility (perhaps just barely) that folks of this nation will extract their heads from their anuses and vote in a better bunch).

It is either that or bloody revolution.

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07 Sep 2011, 10:55 am

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As that ALWAYS happens then democracy is always doomed. When in the '50s our ultra-conservative Quebec government was infamous for fixing the roads in the districts that voted for them and not in those that voted liberal, that's an example of this.

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07 Sep 2011, 10:57 am

If welfare states were affordable in the '60s when the economies were less than half what they are now then they certainly are now. I mean, what of this automation, this technology, this added efficiency? The bosses seem to think it's OK to waste trillions of dollars of production with the artificial NAIRU Reserve Army of Labour thank you very much Milton Friedman.

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07 Sep 2011, 11:01 am

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You do realize that the "Great Depression" was engineered to happen by the uber wealthy to create a problem that would mandate their "Great Society" solution, right?

Banks were solid. We gave control of monetary policy to a group of private bankers who immediately ran things into the ground so that the public would agree to "reforms" that would otherwise be unconscionable.

Solid my ass. Why should I bother arguing with idiot tin-foil hatters? Also, please prove that the 19th century was all peachy and rosy.

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07 Sep 2011, 11:11 am

ruveyn wrote:

Bloviater wrote:

Bwahahahaha....you actually expect the government to stop bailing out the very corporations and banks that fill their campaign coffers? Cute. :lol:

There won't be a revolution. There will be riots and mayham. Nobody will admit that it isn't the politicians or even government that's the problem. It's the dumb idiot masses.

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07 Sep 2011, 11:12 am

ruveyn wrote:

Bloviater wrote:

Bwahahahaha....you actually expect the government to stop bailing out the very corporations and banks that fill their campaign coffers? Cute. :lol:

Not really, its not like who we vote for changes who pays them....and voting for president does not change anything because that office does not have much power at all.

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10 Sep 2011, 6:19 am

zer0netgain wrote:

marshall wrote:

Do you actually believe that?

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