Obama's job speech
ruveyn
They go up and down all the time. No big deal.
You don't understand. Gold has never been that expensive, even adjusted for inflation, and it's continuing to rise. It's literally gone up 500% in 3 years during the end of Bush's presidency (I think it went up by about 30% in the last year of Bush from about 350 to 450 an ounce) and well into Obama's presidency. It shows a weak US Dollar due to O's fiscal policies.
The same thing happened to real estate.
I hate to go Marxist on Y'all but as long as we have a idle class with excess capital we are going to have
a bunch of Jackasses inflating one commodity or market until the bubble pops.
whether it be gold, real estate or tech stocks.
This is actually the real reason we should increase their taxes.
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ruveyn
They go up and down all the time. No big deal.
You don't understand. Gold has never been that expensive, even adjusted for inflation, and it's continuing to rise. It's literally gone up 500% in 3 years during the end of Bush's presidency (I think it went up by about 30% in the last year of Bush from about 350 to 450 an ounce) and well into Obama's presidency. It shows a weak US Dollar due to O's fiscal policies.
The same thing happened to real estate.
What happened to real-estate was the result of the Community Reinvestment Act.
a bunch of Jackasses inflating one commodity or market until the bubble pops.
whether it be gold, real estate or tech stocks.
This is actually the real reason we should increase their taxes.
Actually most of these people that you are blaming are.
1. Small Business Owners
2. Have already made their wealth and/or their money is in treasury bonds which are not taxable when they collect on the interest.
3. Are people that figured out something was going south because they have experience and/or are incredibly lucky.
4. They don't have money, just they are worth x amount because they have ownership of a particular asset (such as gold).
ruveyn
They go up and down all the time. No big deal.
You don't understand. Gold has never been that expensive, even adjusted for inflation, and it's continuing to rise. It's literally gone up 500% in 3 years during the end of Bush's presidency (I think it went up by about 30% in the last year of Bush from about 350 to 450 an ounce) and well into Obama's presidency. It shows a weak US Dollar due to O's fiscal policies.
The same thing happened to real estate.
What happened to real-estate was the result of the Community Reinvestment Act.
a bunch of Jackasses inflating one commodity or market until the bubble pops.
whether it be gold, real estate or tech stocks.
This is actually the real reason we should increase their taxes.
Actually most of these people that you are blaming are.
1. Small Business Owners
2. Have already made their wealth and/or their money is in treasury bonds which are not taxable when they collect on the interest.
3. Are people that figured out something was going south because they have experience and/or are incredibly lucky.
4. They don't have money, just they are worth x amount because they have ownership of a particular asset (such as gold).
are they?
is that who the idle rich are?
So are you accepting the Marx's Crisis theory but blaming small business owners instead of mega-capitalists?
or
and this is one I am putting my money on,
talking out of your ass.
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Their hungry thirsty roots??
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ruveyn
They go up and down all the time. No big deal.
You don't understand. Gold has never been that expensive, even adjusted for inflation, and it's continuing to rise. It's literally gone up 500% in 3 years during the end of Bush's presidency (I think it went up by about 30% in the last year of Bush from about 350 to 450 an ounce) and well into Obama's presidency. It shows a weak US Dollar due to O's fiscal policies.
The same thing happened to real estate.
What happened to real-estate was the result of the Community Reinvestment Act.
a bunch of Jackasses inflating one commodity or market until the bubble pops.
whether it be gold, real estate or tech stocks.
This is actually the real reason we should increase their taxes.
Actually most of these people that you are blaming are.
1. Small Business Owners
2. Have already made their wealth and/or their money is in treasury bonds which are not taxable when they collect on the interest.
3. Are people that figured out something was going south because they have experience and/or are incredibly lucky.
4. They don't have money, just they are worth x amount because they have ownership of a particular asset (such as gold).
are they?
is that who the idle rich are?
So are you accepting the Marx's Crisis theory but blaming small business owners instead of mega-capitalists?
or
and this is one I am putting my money on,
talking out of your ass.
Nope, I'm actually saying that when Obama says millionaires and billionaires, he's actually talking about small business honors, and the middle class. The tax hikes he is proposing actually doesn't raise Warren Buffett's taxes a single dime. Though it discourages people from investing, all his regulations are preventing people from hiring and are in fact causing people to get laid off so businesses can afford to remain open.
Fact is business owners are looking at:
1. Increased taxes on what they make
2. Increased costs of energy
3. Increased inflation which makes things cost more for them to buy
4. Customers not buying as much due to the increases in costs for food and fuel. (Obama's EPA nearly shut down 20% of our Coal Power plants which provide nearly half of all the electricity in the United States).
5. Increased cost of having workers if you employ more than 50 people (that includes part time workers).
Hell, the Democrats even tried to push through a value-added tax.
For all you people claim that I don't get it, sorry but the reality is you simply don't get it. Do you know I actually wish I was wrong about this, however what I wish doesn't change the fact that I'm right on this, and you are wrong.
For those of you that don't know what a Value Added Tax is. It is basically a tax that is applied at each stage of production.
Say you make a car:
1. Raw materials (metal, plastics, glass) -- you pay a tax
2. turn materials into parts -- you pay another tax
3. you assemble parts -- you pay another tax yet again
4. you paint car -- you pay another tax
5. sent to dealer -- whom pays a tax for the car
6. dealer sells to customer -- whom gets hit with a sales tax and potentially the Value Added Tax Again.
I'm over-simplifying (primarily on number of steps), but do you guys see how idiotic this idea is.
You should learn to walk on you hands.
Nothing you wrote has anything to do with what I said.
lets lay it on the table (I will type slow so that you can follow)
I am not a Democrat so I am not honor bound to follow their platform.
I am saying the rich cause the boom and bust so lets take their excess <--- very important word.
wealth away to protect the economy.
Lets go back to the word excess this is not the money they need to reinvest in workers and machinery or
invention they should keep that God bless em.
The money they have that is dangerous is the money they can not squeeze into valid and constructive investments
and therefore follow whatever fad has taken Wall streets fancy this year Techs, Gold, Pork Bellies, Real Estate.
Blowing said commodities out proportion and distorting the market beyond recognition.
This has nothing to do with a VAT or any of the hogwash that continually falls out of you mouth.
There should be a targeted tax on the top 1% especially on their investment income.
I would like a rebirth of the 90% tax bracket.
This is not about the re-distribution of wealth but protecting ourselves for too much of it being in the hands of morons.
people should be encouraged to invest in their own companies instead of playing the market.
this little buddy is Marxism (I said that so you could recognize it)
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We must not buy their fruits:
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Their hungry thirsty roots??
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lets lay it on the table (I will type slow so that you can follow)
I am not a Democrat so I am not honor bound to follow their platform.
I am saying the rich cause the boom and bust so lets take their excess <--- very important word.
wealth away to protect the economy.
Lets go back to the word excess this is not the money they need to reinvest in workers and machinery or
invention they should keep that God bless em.
The money they have that is dangerous is the money they can not squeeze into valid and constructive investments
and therefore follow whatever fad has taken Wall streets fancy this year Techs, Gold, Pork Bellies, Real Estate.
Blowing said commodities out proportion and distorting the market beyond recognition.
This has nothing to do with a VAT or any of the hogwash that continually falls out of you mouth.
There should be a targeted tax on the top 1% especially on their investment income.
I would like a rebirth of the 90% tax bracket.
This is not about the re-distribution of wealth but protecting ourselves for too much of it being in the hands of morons.
people should be encouraged to invest in their own companies instead of playing the market.
this little buddy is Marxism (I said that so you could recognize it)
I understand what you are saying, and here is my response: "GO MOVE TO VENEZUELA (sry if I spelled it wrong)." Then you can see how well your beloved Marxism works.
Um... it also has stuff that Democrats object to. Tax cuts, free trade agreements, including one which will make it easier to find tax shelters, Medicare cuts, other spending cuts, and slashing federal regulations across the board. This is much more of a Republican proposal than a Democratic one.
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he don't know shat
he gets connected with the five star generals of his side who then help him staff a team of the finest minds they think will advance both the Nations and the Democrats goals. His judgements come from the advisors who help police his outlook.
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Um... it also has stuff that Democrats object to. Tax cuts, free trade agreements, including one which will make it easier to find tax shelters, Medicare cuts, other spending cuts, and slashing federal regulations across the board. This is much more of a Republican proposal than a Democratic one.
He should be partisan and not support tax cuts, free trade agreements, increasing medicare and fedral spending, and increasing regulations so that his popularity will fall even deeper and quicker and make it no contest for the GOp trying to unseat him.
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And, as Dick Cheney astutely declared, "Deficits don't matter."
I'm gainfully employed full-time, but I care. Am I odd? Maybe, but I'd like to think most Americans care about their family, friends, neighbors, and community.
And, as Dick Cheney astutely declared, "Deficits don't matter."
I'm gainfully employed full-time, but I care. Am I odd? Maybe, but I'd like to think most Americans care about their family, friends, neighbors, and community.
Since the labour market shrank due to so many long-term involuntarily unemployed job-seekers giving up ("discouraged workers"). Like the "official unemployed", these discouraged workers will also be a burden on family or friends until the labour market picks up.
As is usually the case, there is far more than meets the eye to the Labor Department’s report that the economy added 117,000 jobs last month and the unemployment rate fell to 9.1 percent.
Let’s start with the reality that fewer people actually were working in July than in June.
According to a Bureau of Labor Statistics breakdown, there were 139,296,000 people working in July, compared to 139,334,000 the month before, or a drop of 38,000.
But the job creation number was positive and the unemployment rate went down, right? So how does that work?
It’s a product of something the government calls “discouraged workers,” or those who were unemployed but not out looking for work during the reporting period.
...
And the so-called “real” unemployment rate, which adds in discouraged workers and others not counted as part of the headline unemployment rate, actually pulled back one notch to 16.1 percent.
...
But how good or bad the unemployment picture really may not come into view until next month, because of distortions from seasonal adjustments.
Including teachers and others who experience seasonal unemployment, total joblessness actually rose 1.23 million.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44033486/Beneath ... gly_Truths
ruveyn
They go up and down all the time. No big deal.
You don't understand. Gold has never been that expensive, even adjusted for inflation, and it's continuing to rise. It's literally gone up 500% in 3 years during the end of Bush's presidency (I think it went up by about 30% in the last year of Bush from about 350 to 450 an ounce) and well into Obama's presidency. It shows a weak US Dollar due to O's fiscal policies.
Given that America's overvalued dollar has resulted in a ENORMOUS trade deficit, taking it down a few pegs is very healthy and prudent for the well-being of most Americans.
Idiots can worry all they like about the "deficit" and whether America has the "strongest dollar evar", but the adults in the room must focus on JOBS. A modern society cannot thrive without a solid consumer base.
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The Boy Prince has failed again.
In the time since he was elected he has continue to campaign. He has exercised virtually no leadership. He is an "empty suit".
Even the dewy eyed liberals have woken up to this sad fact. Obama is pseudo from the git-go. There is nothing real there.
When he campaigned everyone loved him. He sounded so fresh, vibrant and alive. He made the Republicans seem like the walking dead. That is how he sounded. Now that he is are chief executive what is he really?
ruveyn


lets lay it on the table (I will type slow so that you can follow)
I am not a Democrat so I am not honor bound to follow their platform.
I am saying the rich cause the boom and bust so lets take their excess <--- very important word.
wealth away to protect the economy.
Lets go back to the word excess this is not the money they need to reinvest in workers and machinery or
invention they should keep that God bless em.
The money they have that is dangerous is the money they can not squeeze into valid and constructive investments
and therefore follow whatever fad has taken Wall streets fancy this year Techs, Gold, Pork Bellies, Real Estate.
Blowing said commodities out proportion and distorting the market beyond recognition.
This has nothing to do with a VAT or any of the hogwash that continually falls out of you mouth.
There should be a targeted tax on the top 1% especially on their investment income.
I would like a rebirth of the 90% tax bracket.
This is not about the re-distribution of wealth but protecting ourselves for too much of it being in the hands of morons.
people should be encouraged to invest in their own companies instead of playing the market.
this little buddy is Marxism (I said that so you could recognize it)
I understand what you are saying, and here is my response: "GO MOVE TO VENEZUELA (sry if I spelled it wrong)." Then you can see how well your beloved Marxism works.


I am a libertarian so I reject the top down approach of of Chavez.
so I will just stay right here and work on economic justice in my own beloved country.
I am not a true Believer in Karl I just think his critique of capitalism is spot on.
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?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??
http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/


lets lay it on the table (I will type slow so that you can follow)
I am not a Democrat so I am not honor bound to follow their platform.
I am saying the rich cause the boom and bust so lets take their excess <--- very important word.
wealth away to protect the economy.
Lets go back to the word excess this is not the money they need to reinvest in workers and machinery or
invention they should keep that God bless em.
The money they have that is dangerous is the money they can not squeeze into valid and constructive investments
and therefore follow whatever fad has taken Wall streets fancy this year Techs, Gold, Pork Bellies, Real Estate.
Blowing said commodities out proportion and distorting the market beyond recognition.
This has nothing to do with a VAT or any of the hogwash that continually falls out of you mouth.
There should be a targeted tax on the top 1% especially on their investment income.
I would like a rebirth of the 90% tax bracket.
This is not about the re-distribution of wealth but protecting ourselves for too much of it being in the hands of morons.
people should be encouraged to invest in their own companies instead of playing the market.
this little buddy is Marxism (I said that so you could recognize it)
I understand what you are saying, and here is my response: "GO MOVE TO VENEZUELA (sry if I spelled it wrong)." Then you can see how well your beloved Marxism works.


I am a libertarian so I reject the top down approach of of Chavez.
so I will just stay right here and work on economic justice in my own beloved country.
I am not a true Believer in Karl I just think his critique of capitalism is spot on.
Why is it that those on the left acknowledge critiques of socialism, yet free-market worshippers refuse to even consider criticisms of capitalism? Instead they get red in the face and scream "GO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE YOU COMMIE" like the belligerent douchebags they are before sticking their head in the sand.
Hey Inuyasha, are you now against freedom of speach? If not why are you scraming at people to "MOVE TO VENEZUELA"? Are you trying to silence JakobVirgil?
My response to people who scream at me is to tell them to go f**k themselves.