Is world peace possible?
RockDrummer616
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I don't believe any war was fought for the correct moral reasons, and there is only one (WWII) that I think had a result that justified military conflict. I believe all conflicts can and should be resolved peacefully. It all comes down to having leaders who support peaceful resolutions. It could be possible, but I don't see it happening anytime soon.
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I'd even question WW2 actually. People say that since we saved so many Jewish people, the war was justified, but what if we tried to save them via pacifism instead? Hitler was scared to death of pacifists.
I'd even question WW2 actually. People say that since we saved so many Jewish people, the war was justified, but what if we tried to save them via pacifism instead? Hitler was scared to death of pacifists.
We saved ourselves.
ruveyn
I'd even question WW2 actually. People say that since we saved so many Jewish people, the war was justified, but what if we tried to save them via pacifism instead? Hitler was scared to death of pacifists.
I can see it now- millions of people opposed to the Axis, all sitting in a big circle singing kumbayah. Meanwhile the Italians, against all odds, succeed in removing the British from the Middle East, opening vast oil reserves to the Axis war machine. More people join the big kumbayah circle. On the other side of the world, Japan lands 150,000 troops near Darwin, Australia, beginning the battle of Australia. Australians all sit down and sing kumbayah. The Japanese Empire occupies Sydney and Canberra. Up in Europe, Stalin retires to his country cottage and encourages the soviet citizens to engage in pacifist resistance. Shortly thereafter the Soviet people are shipped off to Siberia to make room for Aryan settlers. I could go on
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Opportunities multiply as they are seized. -Sun Tzu
Nature creates few men brave, industry and training makes many -Machiavelli
You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do
I'd even question WW2 actually. People say that since we saved so many Jewish people, the war was justified, but what if we tried to save them via pacifism instead? Hitler was scared to death of pacifists.
1. Liberating of any Jews was a byproduct of that war, not the objective.
2. How the F would you do ANYTHING like that via pacifism???
Show up at the gates of a concentration camp with protest signs? About all you'd get is dragged inside to become prisoners yourselves.
3. Scared of pacifists? More like he sh!t on them.
Do you ever think about what you say????



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Opportunities multiply as they are seized. -Sun Tzu
Nature creates few men brave, industry and training makes many -Machiavelli
You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do
I'd even question WW2 actually. People say that since we saved so many Jewish people, the war was justified, but what if we tried to save them via pacifism instead? Hitler was scared to death of pacifists.
I can see it now- millions of people opposed to the Axis, all sitting in a big circle singing kumbayah. Meanwhile the Italians, against all odds, succeed in removing the British from the Middle East, opening vast oil reserves to the Axis war machine. More people join the big kumbayah circle. On the other side of the world, Japan lands 150,000 troops near Darwin, Australia, beginning the battle of Australia. Australians all sit down and sing kumbayah. The Japanese Empire occupies Sydney and Canberra. Up in Europe, Stalin retires to his country cottage and encourages the soviet citizens to engage in pacifist resistance. Shortly thereafter the Soviet people are shipped off to Siberia to make room for Aryan settlers. I could go on
Who is to say the Germans and Japanese wouldn't join? Do you think their people are just inherently more wicked or something?
TwistedReflection
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It could be achieved if a greater proportion of the world's population "disappeared", either through mass genocide (harsh, yes, but it's a means to an end) or government imposed birth control measures, with a world state in unyielding control of all civil liberties. Mind-controlling, behaviour regulating, self-replicating nanobots may or may not be involved, depending on the likelihood of rebellion and availability of such technology.
At least then you'd be keeping a lid on the pot.
Other than the above, I don't see humanity being dissuaded from its current self-destructive course; we are simply too diverse and numerous for any governing superpower to effectively pre-empt the rise of yet another megalomaniac in the place of the multitude of dethroned despots of wars past.
I'd even question WW2 actually. People say that since we saved so many Jewish people, the war was justified, but what if we tried to save them via pacifism instead? Hitler was scared to death of pacifists.
I can see it now- millions of people opposed to the Axis, all sitting in a big circle singing kumbayah. Meanwhile the Italians, against all odds, succeed in removing the British from the Middle East, opening vast oil reserves to the Axis war machine. More people join the big kumbayah circle. On the other side of the world, Japan lands 150,000 troops near Darwin, Australia, beginning the battle of Australia. Australians all sit down and sing kumbayah. The Japanese Empire occupies Sydney and Canberra. Up in Europe, Stalin retires to his country cottage and encourages the soviet citizens to engage in pacifist resistance. Shortly thereafter the Soviet people are shipped off to Siberia to make room for Aryan settlers. I could go on
Who is to say the Germans and Japanese wouldn't join? Do you think their people are just inherently more wicked or something?
PLEASE tell us you're joking!! !
I'd even question WW2 actually. People say that since we saved so many Jewish people, the war was justified, but what if we tried to save them via pacifism instead? Hitler was scared to death of pacifists.
I can see it now- millions of people opposed to the Axis, all sitting in a big circle singing kumbayah. Meanwhile the Italians, against all odds, succeed in removing the British from the Middle East, opening vast oil reserves to the Axis war machine. More people join the big kumbayah circle. On the other side of the world, Japan lands 150,000 troops near Darwin, Australia, beginning the battle of Australia. Australians all sit down and sing kumbayah. The Japanese Empire occupies Sydney and Canberra. Up in Europe, Stalin retires to his country cottage and encourages the soviet citizens to engage in pacifist resistance. Shortly thereafter the Soviet people are shipped off to Siberia to make room for Aryan settlers. I could go on
Who is to say the Germans and Japanese wouldn't join? Do you think their people are just inherently more wicked or something?
Absolutely not. Look, I am of German background, several of my ancestors were Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe veterans. They were not wicked people by any means. You have to understand what the society and culture was like. Men rushed off to war and those that stayed behind due to medical reasons had a great sense of shame that actually did lead to some suicides. Unlike later during 'Nam where a medical reason not to go was considered an advantage. The fight for freedom for their country was what drove them, just like the Allied soldier (besides conscription...). Obviously they were fighting for the wrong ideals, but few Germans were aware of the worst excesses of the regime. Most were thinking more about the humiliation at the end of World War I, the renewed glory the Nazis brought, and the fact that the Nazis pulled Germany out of an economic mire. The invasion of Poland was not spontaneous, the Nazis staged an attack on a German radio station that they claimed was done by Polish saboteurs. The Axis justified their actions as self defense or preeminent attacks to maintain their international sovereignty. Or in the case of Japan, removing Western Imperial influence from East Asia. Their victory over the Russians in 1905 instilled a sense of superiority in the Japanese people that led them to their path of destruction. They called their empire the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere". They absolutely believed in what they were fighting for. Just like the Allies. We are not talking about the Vietnam War, or the Soviet War in Afghanistan
Unfortunately I don't think so
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Opportunities multiply as they are seized. -Sun Tzu
Nature creates few men brave, industry and training makes many -Machiavelli
You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do
I'd even question WW2 actually. People say that since we saved so many Jewish people, the war was justified, but what if we tried to save them via pacifism instead? Hitler was scared to death of pacifists.
I can see it now- millions of people opposed to the Axis, all sitting in a big circle singing kumbayah. Meanwhile the Italians, against all odds, succeed in removing the British from the Middle East, opening vast oil reserves to the Axis war machine. More people join the big kumbayah circle. On the other side of the world, Japan lands 150,000 troops near Darwin, Australia, beginning the battle of Australia. Australians all sit down and sing kumbayah. The Japanese Empire occupies Sydney and Canberra. Up in Europe, Stalin retires to his country cottage and encourages the soviet citizens to engage in pacifist resistance. Shortly thereafter the Soviet people are shipped off to Siberia to make room for Aryan settlers. I could go on
Who is to say the Germans and Japanese wouldn't join? Do you think their people are just inherently more wicked or something?
Absolutely not. Look, I am of German background, several of my ancestors were Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe veterans. They were not wicked people by any means. You have to understand what the society and culture was like. Men rushed off to war and those that stayed behind due to medical reasons had a great sense of shame that actually did lead to some suicides. Unlike later during 'Nam where a medical reason not to go was considered an advantage. The fight for freedom for their country was what drove them, just like the Allied soldier (besides conscription...). Obviously they were fighting for the wrong ideals, but few Germans were aware of the worst excesses of the regime. Most were thinking more about the humiliation at the end of World War I, the renewed glory the Nazis brought, and the fact that the Nazis pulled Germany out of an economic mire. The invasion of Poland was not spontaneous, the Nazis staged an attack on a German radio station that they claimed was done by Polish saboteurs. The Axis justified their actions as self defense or preeminent attacks to maintain their international sovereignty. Or in the case of Japan, removing Western Imperial influence from East Asia. Their victory over the Russians in 1905 instilled a sense of superiority in the Japanese people that led them to their path of destruction. They called their empire the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere". They absolutely believed in what they were fighting for. Just like the Allies. We are not talking about the Vietnam War, or the Soviet War in Afghanistan
Unfortunately I don't think so
If that's the case you may as well have written your synopsis of WWII to my dog for all the good it did....

I'd even question WW2 actually. People say that since we saved so many Jewish people, the war was justified, but what if we tried to save them via pacifism instead? Hitler was scared to death of pacifists.
I can see it now- millions of people opposed to the Axis, all sitting in a big circle singing kumbayah. Meanwhile the Italians, against all odds, succeed in removing the British from the Middle East, opening vast oil reserves to the Axis war machine. More people join the big kumbayah circle. On the other side of the world, Japan lands 150,000 troops near Darwin, Australia, beginning the battle of Australia. Australians all sit down and sing kumbayah. The Japanese Empire occupies Sydney and Canberra. Up in Europe, Stalin retires to his country cottage and encourages the soviet citizens to engage in pacifist resistance. Shortly thereafter the Soviet people are shipped off to Siberia to make room for Aryan settlers. I could go on
Who is to say the Germans and Japanese wouldn't join? Do you think their people are just inherently more wicked or something?
Absolutely not. Look, I am of German background, several of my ancestors were Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe veterans. They were not wicked people by any means. You have to understand what the society and culture was like. Men rushed off to war and those that stayed behind due to medical reasons had a great sense of shame that actually did lead to some suicides. Unlike later during 'Nam where a medical reason not to go was considered an advantage. The fight for freedom for their country was what drove them, just like the Allied soldier (besides conscription...). Obviously they were fighting for the wrong ideals, but few Germans were aware of the worst excesses of the regime. Most were thinking more about the humiliation at the end of World War I, the renewed glory the Nazis brought, and the fact that the Nazis pulled Germany out of an economic mire. The invasion of Poland was not spontaneous, the Nazis staged an attack on a German radio station that they claimed was done by Polish saboteurs. The Axis justified their actions as self defense or preeminent attacks to maintain their international sovereignty. Or in the case of Japan, removing Western Imperial influence from East Asia. Their victory over the Russians in 1905 instilled a sense of superiority in the Japanese people that led them to their path of destruction. They called their empire the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere". They absolutely believed in what they were fighting for. Just like the Allies. We are not talking about the Vietnam War, or the Soviet War in Afghanistan
Unfortunately I don't think so
If that's the case you may as well have written your synopsis of WWII to my dog for all the good it did....

Unfortunately, or not, your dog may be in the same position as Balaam's Ass.
Tadzio
I'd even question WW2 actually. People say that since we saved so many Jewish people, the war was justified, but what if we tried to save them via pacifism instead? Hitler was scared to death of pacifists.
I can see it now- millions of people opposed to the Axis, all sitting in a big circle singing kumbayah. Meanwhile the Italians, against all odds, succeed in removing the British from the Middle East, opening vast oil reserves to the Axis war machine. More people join the big kumbayah circle. On the other side of the world, Japan lands 150,000 troops near Darwin, Australia, beginning the battle of Australia. Australians all sit down and sing kumbayah. The Japanese Empire occupies Sydney and Canberra. Up in Europe, Stalin retires to his country cottage and encourages the soviet citizens to engage in pacifist resistance. Shortly thereafter the Soviet people are shipped off to Siberia to make room for Aryan settlers. I could go on
Who is to say the Germans and Japanese wouldn't join? Do you think their people are just inherently more wicked or something?
Absolutely not. Look, I am of German background, several of my ancestors were Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe veterans. They were not wicked people by any means. You have to understand what the society and culture was like. Men rushed off to war and those that stayed behind due to medical reasons had a great sense of shame that actually did lead to some suicides. Unlike later during 'Nam where a medical reason not to go was considered an advantage. The fight for freedom for their country was what drove them, just like the Allied soldier (besides conscription...). Obviously they were fighting for the wrong ideals, but few Germans were aware of the worst excesses of the regime. Most were thinking more about the humiliation at the end of World War I, the renewed glory the Nazis brought, and the fact that the Nazis pulled Germany out of an economic mire. The invasion of Poland was not spontaneous, the Nazis staged an attack on a German radio station that they claimed was done by Polish saboteurs. The Axis justified their actions as self defense or preeminent attacks to maintain their international sovereignty. Or in the case of Japan, removing Western Imperial influence from East Asia. Their victory over the Russians in 1905 instilled a sense of superiority in the Japanese people that led them to their path of destruction. They called their empire the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere". They absolutely believed in what they were fighting for. Just like the Allies. We are not talking about the Vietnam War, or the Soviet War in Afghanistan
Unfortunately I don't think so
If that's the case you may as well have written your synopsis of WWII to my dog for all the good it did....

Unfortunately, or not, your dog may be in the same position as Balaam's Ass.
Tadzio
My dog can't talk and I don't think she's seen any angels lately but you never can tell with dogs.......
I know the story, I think, but I don't see the connnection.
Care to elaborate?
The Allies broadcast radio transmissions and dropped tons of propaganda on the Axis countries. In any case, the sabotage incident was not accepted by the U.K., France, etc. The German people meanwhile, had been fed propaganda for years about Polish "atrocities" towards German minorities living in Polish territory. To them it was completely believable based on the information that was available to them through the state, which had control of most information. The conflict to destroy the Axis was inevitable and I can say with a lot of certainty that there was no other way to go about it
9/11 truth...? Elaborate?
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Opportunities multiply as they are seized. -Sun Tzu
Nature creates few men brave, industry and training makes many -Machiavelli
You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do
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