The Rise of American Fascism

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I don't think the US is becoming facist, but I do think we are placing far too much power in the upper class.

In John Dean's (Watergate) one book about ten years ago, he study estimated that slightly over 20% of our population had strong facist feelings. That's certainly should concern every American.

Did he define fascism for the purpose of his book or did he just toss that word in there to see how well it would stick?

American proto-fascism has been around since at least the administration of Abraham Lincoln. Possibly as far back as Andrew Jackson.

ruveyn

I think accusations of fascism are banded around a little too much and it is not a good tactic for left leaning people to use.

If you start accusing everyone who is vaguely to the right of you of being a fascist over and over again eventually those people just become numb to it and decide that if they are a fascist, fascism can't be that bad really.

A question for those thinking the US is actually fascist, when you watch the superbowl or nascar do you spot 2000 strong groups of people wearing swastikas and doing coordinated nazi salutes and chants?

This is Poland and Ukraine
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xrhwps ... 2012_sport

Do you have political parties in office that get sworn in wearing their SS uniform equivalents?
Hungary does.

Do you have child serial killers motivated by race hatred that film their murders and post them to video sharing websites?
Russia does.

Do you have political parties where the members of parliament physical attack people during TV debates and other members of parliament are arrested for taking part in dishing out violent beatings of immigrants in your Capital?
Greece does.

So please forgive me if I think the American fascist problem is a little overstated...

Well it's a rather laughable claim for the left to use, most of the examples that can be used is actually from what people on the left are doing.

Look back at the 2008 elections where kids were taught to sing songs glorifying Obama... Having kids sing our national anthem is one thing, but singing songs to glorify a politician is just plain creepy.



You mean like they have been doing for the past decade, please tell me you're not just now noticing this...



No we haven't reached that level yet, but we are seeing some warning signs.



Not quite to that level, but we're starting to see that kind of behavior and it isn't coming from the right. It is coming from the left and directed towards American Citizens whom don't share their views.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr_4ZWEFOjQ[/youtube]



I'm going to point out that while the person was overstating things concerning facism, I'll also point out that the left is trying to falsely accuse Conservatives of behavior that the left is guilty of.

We've seen more violence from some left wing protests than every single Tea Party rally COMBINED! Not that the left wing media would report that tidbit, especially with their false accustions of racim, they've shown they are more than willing to concoct phony incidents in order to demonize people whom are critical of Obama's failed policies.

As I recall, that guy who got into an altercation with those so called "union thugs" in fact tried collecting money to pay for medical bills - - when he himself was never injured.
Like everything on Fox Noise, this was all just a load of s**t.
And by the way, the Nazi's propaganda constantly expounded on the virtue of the strong overcoming the weak. It could just as well have been ripped from the pages of Ayn Rand's psycho ramblings she passed off as fiction and philosophy.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Neoliberalism leads to fascist-like outcomes. The so-called Neoliberal Penality... that neoliberalism always leads to a police state, that this formula dates from the Physiocrats. The neoliberals are very totalitarian and intolerant to alternatives, that's for sure.

If our choices are a) become Greece or b) become WWII Italy, I better start stockpiling the alcohol because its going to be a truly awful 50 years to finish out.

you do know itas just as ridicoulous not to realize that fascism and nazism arent the same thing, nazism was certainly fascistic but there have been plenty of cases of fascism that didnt involve swastikas.

you might be right about it being overused but often people barely know the defintion of the word when they throw it.

Read -Liberal Fascism- by Jonah Goldberg and see just how far back ur-fascism and proto-fascism have existed in the United States. I think the Original American Fascist was Alexander Hamilton.

ruveyn

is that supposed to be an excuse for fascism?

(mind you i really dont know if that was what you meant, an honest question if that is even possible in ppr anymore)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Jonah Goldberg one of those three alarm idiots on Fox?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I think an agreed upon definition of what fascism means is needed in this discussion:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fascism

Considering that the far right gets away with the most blatantly disrespectful attacks on President Obama, it's obvious we don't live in a fascist state where "criticism or opposition" of the government would otherwise be crushed.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Unfortunately, that is the only descriptor in the definition that does not fit the current state of the US.