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20 Jan 2011, 12:41 pm

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I understand why most people say Christians are "haters" and not the Jews -- we have two millenia history of Christian persecution of the Jews and not the otehr way around. But that is simply the question of numbers: Christians were a lot stronger than the Jewish minority, so OF COURSE only the former had means of persecutting the latter. But things changed when Jews have their state of Israel. The Christians living in Israel are regularly subject to beating, spitting, etc. Yes, Jewish police agree to do something about it, but they NEVER actually follow up with it. Somehow punishing people for crime directed against Christians always gets postponned.


Back that up with a factual reference. The modern State of Israel is governed by laws which are there to protect the public. Christians have the same rights as Jews under Israeli law.

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21 Jan 2011, 10:34 am

ruveyn wrote:
Roman wrote:

I understand why most people say Christians are "haters" and not the Jews -- we have two millenia history of Christian persecution of the Jews and not the otehr way around. But that is simply the question of numbers: Christians were a lot stronger than the Jewish minority, so OF COURSE only the former had means of persecutting the latter. But things changed when Jews have their state of Israel. The Christians living in Israel are regularly subject to beating, spitting, etc. Yes, Jewish police agree to do something about it, but they NEVER actually follow up with it. Somehow punishing people for crime directed against Christians always gets postponned.


Back that up with a factual reference. The modern State of Israel is governed by laws which are there to protect the public. Christians have the same rights as Jews under Israeli law.

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Jews have the "right of return" (meaning anyone can immigrate to Israel simply because he is Jewish); Christians do not

An atheist Jew has the right of return; a Christian Jew does not

Preaching Christianity to anyone under 18 is considered a crime in Israel

As far as violence against Christians, YES, from the point of view of the law Christians ARE protected against violence just like Jews are. *BUT* from the point of view of FACTS the law against violence is not enforced when it comes to violence against Christians. YES, the cops say they will punish the people who hurt them, *BUT* they are always "too busy" to carry out what they said they would.



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21 Jan 2011, 10:58 am

Roman wrote:

Jews have the "right of return" (meaning anyone can immigrate to Israel simply because he is Jewish); Christians do not



That pertains to the right of people from outside of Israel to immigrate to Israel and becomes residents and eventually citizens. Jews have a privilege granted by the Israeli government that member of other groups do not have. Keep in mind that Israel was set up as a Jewish state. A place where Jews could come to live and not be persecuted for being Jews.

The U.S. has similar restrictions on immigration and citizenship. There are some groups preferred over others for immigration. Every nation has the power (if not the right) to establish whatever rules it pleases pertaining to immigration and admission of persons to visit. A nation owns its interior and can exclude whomsoever it wishes to exclude, so Israel is no different from any other nation in that regard. It is called sovereignty.

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21 Jan 2011, 9:31 pm

The issue that rabbinical jews have with "messianic jews" or "Jews for Jesus" is actually one of semantics.

More specifically, they object to the use of the word "jew" by these groups. In rabbinical judaism, with the exception of the reform branch, a jew is someone with a jewish soul which was inherited via a jewish mother or acquired at the time of conversion.

Rabbinical jews generally feel the use of the word "jew" by these christian groups, is a vast misrepresentation of what it means to be a jew, as well as the concept of Judaism.

If they were to call themselves "judaic christians" or "mosaic christians" which I personally feel is a more appropriate term as they are simply christians who maintain many moasic practices, I doubt there would be such an issue over it. In fact there would probably be no issue over it.



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21 Jan 2011, 9:34 pm

history_of_psychiatry wrote:
No, they can't coexist. Jews think they are the chosen people, and xians think that only by being xian can you go to heaven.


Do you know what "chosen people" means?