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Circle989898
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04 Dec 2011, 9:05 pm

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04 Dec 2011, 9:14 pm

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"Culture" originally referred to the cultured food that varied from region to region before the advent of refrigeration, and only later came to mean the poetry and art and all that.

French cultures were cheese, wine, petit sale, sourdough bread, etc
Other places you could find bacon, hams, sauerkraut, sauer ruben, beer, kvass, injera, kimchee, pickles, tamari, miso, natto, sake, sour cream, kombucha, kefir, amazake, idli, dosas, yoghurt, lefse, tempeh, the list is as long as there are peoples in this world.

Trying to homogenize every culture together is a digestive nightmare. What we think of as "ethnic" groups are people whose bodies have adapted to their local diet and climate. Sure you can try to get everyone on board with One World Culture, like a "Jesus & McDonalds" program, if you're really into hammering the square peg through the round hole.

My friend is mostly Korean. He has flat teeth, good for grinding grains (rice) and salivates more than me. His body works best on a lot of rice and fish. Me? If I eat a lot of rice and fish, I get sensitive to it and get sick. I got fierce canines and northern european blood, and my body tends to be happiest when eating a lot of pork and sauerkraut and vegetables.

One World Culture is completely ridiculous. "Hey, you there, living in that equatorial region. We think you should hibernate from December to March, cause that's how it's done up north and we want everyone to be the same."
As I said before, a more or less, not totally, homogeneous culture is what I want. To give an example, Guangzhou is tropical, Harbin is a cold, continental climate. They both have their differences in cuisine and in their colloquial language but the similarities are far more imposing. And the people of Harbin, or for that matter Beijing, do not make the people of Guangzhou eat millet or wear wool coats, but the PRC state does impose Putonghua in speech and even more so in writing, the same basic law code, currency and other standards as well as pressure the people of Guangzhou, and for that matter everywhere else in the PRC (save the odd, and certainly temporary, situation with tiny Macau and Hong Kong), to adopt basically the same culture in most ways. And China is the oldest continuous civilization on Earth with no signs of collapse. So, rather than make trite little comments about red herrings, actually try to defend yourself.


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04 Dec 2011, 9:33 pm

I do apologize, I wasn't trying to make trite little comments about red herrings. Cultural diversity in the culinary arts, culturing food, is a passion of mine. And the slow homogenization of the global diet, with American fast food restaurants popping up all over the place, is something that upsets me enormously.

I believe perceived conflict in our viewpoints is one of terminology? What you describe as minor regional differences, I consider as "culture." I believe you may be using the term to convey more of a political, ideological or philosophical unity in a region? Sorry for the mix up.


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04 Dec 2011, 10:10 pm

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Seems more like a salad bowl than a melting pot to me.


Or a stew pot complete with undigestible lumps in it.

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don't know quite what you are implying there........i thought the salad thing actually made a bit of sense.


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05 Dec 2011, 1:44 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Seems more like a salad bowl than a melting pot to me.


Or a stew pot complete with undigestible lumps in it.

ruveyn


don't know quite what you are implying there........i thought the salad thing actually made a bit of sense.


coulda been a reference to a stewpot in which there are some ingredients which are not flavorfully harmonious with the rest. people who engage in FGM are one such discordant ingredient. people that would bomb other people out of the stewpot altogether, are another. if an ultrahot pepper got into your salad you would find it to be 1]indigestible and 2]ruin the flavor of the rest of the salad.



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05 Dec 2011, 2:02 am

auntblabby wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Seems more like a salad bowl than a melting pot to me.


Or a stew pot complete with undigestible lumps in it.

ruveyn


don't know quite what you are implying there........i thought the salad thing actually made a bit of sense.


coulda been a reference to a stewpot in which there are some ingredients which are not flavorfully harmonious with the rest. people who engage in FGM are one such discordant ingredient. people that would bomb other people out of the stewpot altogether, are another. if an ultrahot pepper got into your salad you would find it to be 1]indigestible and 2]ruin the flavor of the rest of the salad.


Yeah still don't get it.


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05 Dec 2011, 2:14 am

Melting pot, Stew pot reference: Some items in the allegorical "stew," described as "indigestible lumps," are actually "bad people" in "society." Stew=society. Lumps=people. Indigestible=yucky.

ruyven has a sensitive stomach (tolerance) for "lumps" (people) that do not agree with it's "digestion" (politics? tolerance?) ?

If you don't like the stew, maybe instead order the salad with the dressing on the side so you can pick out the parts you find distasteful first?

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I like the salad bowl metaphor better than the melting pot, sweetleaf. Lots of different flavors working independently, but together. Instead of homogenized into one indistinguishable puree. Purees are baby food.


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05 Dec 2011, 3:25 am

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kvass


I had this when I was in Estonia. It's definitely worth trying. Have you ever had it?

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Circle989898 wrote:
Tis true, but happened to australia also but I dont here of much racism from that region of the globe, you don't here much of anything from the Australian people.


Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it isn't there. Check out the Australian Government (and by some extensions the people) towards Aboriginal tribes.



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05 Dec 2011, 1:14 pm

Burnbridge wrote:
I do apologize, I wasn't trying to make trite little comments about red herrings. Cultural diversity in the culinary arts, culturing food, is a passion of mine. And the slow homogenization of the global diet, with American fast food restaurants popping up all over the place, is something that upsets me enormously.

I believe perceived conflict in our viewpoints is one of terminology? What you describe as minor regional differences, I consider as "culture." I believe you may be using the term to convey more of a political, ideological or philosophical unity in a region? Sorry for the mix up.
I probably overreacted anyways, so do not feel bad. And I hate fast food too :wink: .

Yes, I agree that terminology is where we are getting mixed for the most part. And you are correct that I am talking about sociopolitical unity in a region.


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05 Dec 2011, 1:26 pm

Telekon wrote:
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I do not mind diversity and prefer it to certain cultures, most notably Islamic and Western cultures, but I am more of the belief that a much better world requires one world culture that is to be fried from the best aspects of the world's cultures, founded on reason and sustained by a world state. All people would assimilate into this one world culture without exclusion and without exception.


Cultures emerge locally and organically through hundreds of years of experience. A "world culture" is practically impossible. It would be an artificial culture and it would require erasing all local and national cultures.


Those running the European Union aim to mix identities using force. If they had their way, instead of just defending individual rights to choose their associations, everything regional would be considered intolerant and then erased.



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05 Dec 2011, 1:51 pm

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Those running the European Union aim to mix identities by force. [...] everything regional would be considered intolerant and then erased.
That's what you'd think the United States are like, but we're not. There are several very distinct regional cultures here: SoCal, Hawaii, Pacific Northwest, Rocky Mountains, SW Desert, Midwestern, Texas, deep South, Rust Belt, East (Virginia), and New England. All quite different from one another, in terms of diet, identity and lifestyle and such, yet all using the same currency and language. America is said to have "no culture" quite frequently, but really it is more like there are 11 nationlets squished together, and few elements of culture are universal to those different regions. Good luck trying to convince a Texan that they had the same identity as a Californian or New Yorker.

I dredged this up, though...is this what you meant by forced mixing?
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Euro-English Proposal in EU
The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the EU rather than German which was the other possibility.

As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five year phase-in plan that would be known as "Euro-English".

In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20% shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be ekspekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away.

By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.

After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen world!


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05 Dec 2011, 5:43 pm

Burnbridge wrote:
I like the salad bowl metaphor better than the melting pot, sweetleaf. Lots of different flavors working independently, but together. Instead of homogenized into one indistinguishable puree. Purees are baby food.

I agree and that's one of my main problems with America. Being a melting pot is nothing really special. We just have clumps of varying quality every once in a while, but the broth is bland and homogenous. :lol:



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05 Dec 2011, 5:50 pm

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Those running the European Union aim to mix identities using force. If they had their way, instead of just defending individual rights to choose their associations, everything regional would be considered intolerant and then erased.


Indeed. I love Europe; I'd drag my fat ass around Europe eating and drinking to my heart's content if I had the money and the effort.

Bring me the olives! Bring me the foie gras! Bring me the leverpostej and the rugbrød! Oh, and can I have a Maß of strong German lager to go with it, please?

I like European, especially Southern European, people as their approach to life is often healthy enough: piss off and leave me in peace. Sounds good to me. I want to go to Greece.

The enemy for the British is not and never has been Europe. It has always been the European Union. The two are not and have never been synonymous.

I often feel more at home in other European countries than I do in my own and from an EU withdrawalist (a political opinion often decried as 'racist' and 'xenophobic' by EU-nationalists) at that.