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22 Dec 2011, 7:55 pm

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Why should Paul believe in evolution?

Because it is well supported by physical and biological evidence. There is no doubt that life on this planet started billions of years ago and was originally very simple single cell life.

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Why is it relevant to his campaign?

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22 Dec 2011, 7:58 pm

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Why is it relevant to his campaign?

Because Doctor "Axe to the government" Paul is going to be deciding which areas of science research funding to cut and the delusion that evolution isn't well-supported and doesn't have practical applications (i.e. antibiotics) could make said decisions pretty easy ("cut all of evolutionary biology funding, that's just a hog-wash, do-nothing area 'cause it ain't true").

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22 Dec 2011, 8:19 pm

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Who cares what his personal religious beliefs are? It's a free country and he can believe what he wants. It obviously hasn't effect his ability as a doctor and he isn't going to impose his views on the rest of the rest of the population.

Yes, a President of the US can be of any religion, as long as it isn't Muslim

or atheist

or agnostic, buddhist, hindu, pagan, any kind of nature-based religion, and polytheistic religion, any nontheistic religion, or not having a religion.

Also probably not Jewish, but I could see it happening, it just hasn't yet

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22 Dec 2011, 8:24 pm

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Why is it relevant to his campaign?

He's against abortion personally, but he knows it's not his place to dictate his personal feelings to the people on that issue. He's against using marijuana, because he thinks it's not healthy, but again, doesn't want to dictate to people what they should put in their bodies. And he doesn't believe in evolution, but for some reason, he is going to make cuts based on that belief?

The argument, also, reminds me of when people thought that getting rid of HUD was going to force millions of families onto the street, but the case is that the transition of responsibility is to the states.

I don't think Paul would make that decision, because he is a doctor.

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22 Dec 2011, 8:26 pm

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw[/youtube]

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/ ... nabler.php

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/ ... art_ii.php

One does not have to accept the theory of evolution to be a competent G.P.

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Tell that to all the Ron Paul sycophants I've met who've expressed incredulity when I told them that "Dr. No" doesn't believe in evolution. They claim that he has to, he's a medical doctor!

As Orwell (the Bearded Irish-Ohioan-Floridan liberal Calvinist, not the British author) sometimes says, a Doctor is a Mechanic of the Body - they don't have to understand the underlying theoretical basis all the time.

Um, sounds to me like Ron Paul basically said "holy s**t how do I not sound crazy and at the same time not alienate the republican base"? Also, he did refer to it as a scientific issue rather than a religious one, so that's a sign that he's probably not reality-challenged.

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22 Dec 2011, 9:01 pm

Paul's proposed policies don't seem to be affected one way or the other by a stance on evolution.

He would likely cut spending on science across the board; it is unlikely he would micromanage to the point of deciding which grants to cut off.

The federal government really does not set educational policy to any meaningful extent in this country. If anything, federal policies just get in the way, since state and local governments are already responsible for running the educational systems.

The "health freedom" stuff is more concerning. I am a big believer in the FDA's role as watchdog and protector against snake oil salesmen.

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23 Dec 2011, 8:03 am

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The U.S. Constitution forbids any religious test for holding any office.

Article VI:

Article Six of the United States Constitution establishes the Constitution and the laws and treaties of the United States made in accordance with it as the supreme law of the land, forbids a religious test as a requirement for holding a governmental position and holds the United States under the Constitution responsible for debts incurred by the United States under the Articles of Confederation.

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23 Dec 2011, 11:15 am

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Master_Pedant wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw[/youtube]

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/ ... nabler.php

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/ ... art_ii.php

One does not have to accept the theory of evolution to be a competent G.P.

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I would request another GP if they did not accept it.

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23 Dec 2011, 11:21 am

How do you cope in America when it seems such a big issue what the religious views of your candidates are? In Britain these views hardly ever come up, and when they do people yawn.

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23 Dec 2011, 12:00 pm

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Since voters aren't bound by the Constitution they are perfectly free to keep women, Jews, Muslims, Atheists and their ilk out of the Oval Office.

The dream that anyone [who is a natural born US citizen, over the age of 35 meeting the residency requirement] can grow up to be President ranks right up there with Santa Claus and the the Tooth Fairy.

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23 Dec 2011, 2:28 pm

For a brief moment I wondered whether this thread was about me.

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23 Dec 2011, 7:49 pm

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Refusal to vote for someone is not preventing him from holding office. Everyone who holds an elective office has been voted against by someone, sometime.

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24 Dec 2011, 12:37 am

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Why should Paul believe in evolution?

Because it is well supported by physical and biological evidence. There is no doubt that life on this planet started billions of years ago and was originally very simple single cell life.

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Why is it relevant to his campaign?

If a guy values religious dogma over overwhelming evidence to the contrary, it says a lot about his priorities.

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24 Dec 2011, 12:45 am

Vexcalibur wrote:

snapcap wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Why should Paul believe in evolution?

Because it is well supported by physical and biological evidence. There is no doubt that life on this planet started billions of years ago and was originally very simple single cell life.

ruveyn

Why is it relevant to his campaign?

If a guy values religious dogma over overwhelming evidence to the contrary, it says a lot about his priorities.

How does his religious belief affect his priorities? What do you think would be different had he said that he did believe in evolution? Would you sleep sounder if he did?

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24 Dec 2011, 12:48 am

Vexcalibur wrote:

snapcap wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Why should Paul believe in evolution?

Because it is well supported by physical and biological evidence. There is no doubt that life on this planet started billions of years ago and was originally very simple single cell life.

ruveyn

Why is it relevant to his campaign?

If a guy values religious dogma over overwhelming evidence to the contrary, it says a lot about his priorities.

His priorities are ending these illegal wars, protecting our civil liberties, and ending the rampant corporatism that is destroying our country.

What are Obama's priorities?

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24 Dec 2011, 3:44 pm

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How does his religious belief affect his priorities? What do you think would be different had he said that he did believe in evolution? Would you sleep sounder if he did?

For once he would not be pandering to the religious nutcases.

Because we have to admit that whenever a candidate states that he believes on creation over evolution, it is unlikely he is really as uninformed as that. It is a conscious choice to pander to a demographic. A demographic that is composed of nutcases.

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