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29 Dec 2011, 10:33 pm

Blacks vote democratic only because the far left does more harm than good to America in some ways.



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30 Dec 2011, 12:02 am

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While attempts should be made to ensure that legal people can get photo ID, I definitely think one should need to show photo ID in order to vote.
Republicans: The party that keeps providing solutions for problems that didn't need solutions.

Meanwhile, crisis is as strong as ever.

With 15 - 20 million illegals in this country, it seems a pretty important measure to me.
They pay taxes, so why shouldn't they have a say in which electoral collegiate gets more voting power?

Because they're not citizens.
Anyone who obeys the laws of the state, provides for the state and otherwise contributes to the state deserves citizenship.


So you agree they don't belong here? They're "illegal" because they've broken federal immigration law.

Most illegals pay only sales taxes. They're supposed to contribute to payroll taxes but most work off the books which is the motivation for hiring them. What little they do earn is funneled back to Mexico.



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30 Dec 2011, 3:10 am

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Blacks vote democratic only because the far left does more harm than good to America in some ways.


Blacks vote Democratic only because... What? I'm sorry, but I fail to follow your logic.
And by the way, I consider social security, workman's comp, unemployment insurance, and other aspects of the social safety net which the Democrats are responsible for to be hardly harmful.
It's the reason why I vote Democrat.

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30 Dec 2011, 11:08 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Blacks vote democratic only because the far left does more harm than good to America in some ways.


Blacks vote Democratic only because... What? I'm sorry, but I fail to follow your logic.
And by the way, I consider social security, workman's comp, unemployment insurance, and other aspects of the social safety net which the Democrats are responsible for to be hardly harmful.
It's the reason why I vote Democrat.

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He is saying that blacks want to destroy the country.

Whether he intended to say that or not is a big question.


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30 Dec 2011, 11:34 am

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Blacks vote democratic only because the far left does more harm than good to America in some ways.


Blacks vote Democratic only because... What? I'm sorry, but I fail to follow your logic.
And by the way, I consider social security, workman's comp, unemployment insurance, and other aspects of the social safety net which the Democrats are responsible for to be hardly harmful.
It's the reason why I vote Democrat.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
He is saying that blacks want to destroy the country.

Whether he intended to say that or not is a big question.


That was my immediate understanding, which is why I thought he had to have misstated what he had meant.

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30 Dec 2011, 12:51 pm

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Blacks vote democratic only because the far left does more harm than good to America in some ways.


That is not why black folks switched over to the democrats during the time of the New Deal. What they wanted was a fair break, full voting rights and not to be treated like garbage. The false promises of the Democrat party lured them away from the Republicans. Prior to FDR, most blacks who could and did vote, voted Republican? Why? Two words: Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican president. During his watch slavery was legally abolished.

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30 Dec 2011, 2:37 pm

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Blacks vote democratic only because the far left does more harm than good to America in some ways.


That is not why black folks switched over to the democrats during the time of the New Deal. What they wanted was a fair break, full voting rights and not to be treated like garbage. The false promises of the Democrat party lured them away from the Republicans. Prior to FDR, most blacks who could and did vote, voted Republican? Why? Two words: Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican president. During his watch slavery was legally abolished.

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I would hardly call the passing of civil rights legislation by the Democrats false promises.

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30 Dec 2011, 3:58 pm

Bataar wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
Bataar wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
Bataar wrote:
While attempts should be made to ensure that legal people can get photo ID, I definitely think one should need to show photo ID in order to vote.
Republicans: The party that keeps providing solutions for problems that didn't need solutions.

Meanwhile, crisis is as strong as ever.

With 15 - 20 million illegals in this country, it seems a pretty important measure to me.
They pay taxes, so why shouldn't they have a say in which electoral collegiate gets more voting power?

Because they're not citizens.
If the problem is that they are not citizens, the easy solution is to make them citizens.

Bataar and I agree that immigrants should get an amnesty.


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30 Dec 2011, 4:58 pm

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I would hardly call the passing of civil rights legislation by the Democrats false promises.

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Twenty years after FDR died? That was not a swift fulfillment of the promises.

During FDR's watch Negroes were still second class citizens. The first break came when Truman desegregated the Armed Forces by executive order. Truman began to keep the faith. Neither he nor Eisenhower pushed for voting reform. Not even Kennedy pushed for voting reform. If Kennedy had not been shot, voting reform might have taken another ten years.

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30 Dec 2011, 6:17 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Bataar wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
Bataar wrote:
While attempts should be made to ensure that legal people can get photo ID, I definitely think one should need to show photo ID in order to vote.
Republicans: The party that keeps providing solutions for problems that didn't need solutions.

Meanwhile, crisis is as strong as ever.

With 15 - 20 million illegals in this country, it seems a pretty important measure to me.
They pay taxes, so why shouldn't they have a say in which electoral collegiate gets more voting power?

They are not citizens, and if they are paying income taxes, that means they committed identity theft and fraud, all disqualify someone from voting.


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30 Dec 2011, 6:22 pm

Meh, it's a chicken and egg thing to me. I don't so much smell racism as I do politics; I think the Republicans would be just as likely to try and disqualify union voters if they could find an easy way, as would the Democrats with the evangelical vote. Now if the Republicans thought that they might actually be losing votes that they had a chance of picking up behind these policies, they might be more cautious, but that's just my opinion.


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30 Dec 2011, 6:40 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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I would hardly call the passing of civil rights legislation by the Democrats false promises.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Twenty years after FDR died? That was not a swift fulfillment of the promises.

During FDR's watch Negroes were still second class citizens. The first break came when Truman desegregated the Armed Forces by executive order. Truman began to keep the faith. Neither he nor Eisenhower pushed for voting reform. Not even Kennedy pushed for voting reform. If Kennedy had not been shot, voting reform might have taken another ten years.

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That is true, but it was still the Democrats who were responsible for civil rights legislation.

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30 Dec 2011, 8:43 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

That is true, but it was still the Democrats who were responsible for civil rights legislation.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


a broken clock tells the right time twice a day. The same Democrats put in a welfare system that encouraged dependency and discouraged hard work and ambition. They wanted to keep the dark skinned folk down on the plantation.

They rewarded laziness and lack of planning and foresight. Then they wondered why there was so much laziness and lack of foresight.

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31 Dec 2011, 12:00 am

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

That is true, but it was still the Democrats who were responsible for civil rights legislation.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


a broken clock tells the right time twice a day. The same Democrats put in a welfare system that encouraged dependency and discouraged hard work and ambition. They wanted to keep the dark skinned folk down on the plantation.

They rewarded laziness and lack of planning and foresight. Then they wondered why there was so much laziness and lack of foresight.

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No one can say that the Democrats' hearts weren't in the right places. On top of that, I think the notion that so many black people are dependent on the government and are shiftless is overblown.
Sort of like all Jews are supposedly greedy leaches. We both know that's not true.

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31 Dec 2011, 12:08 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

That is true, but it was still the Democrats who were responsible for civil rights legislation.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


a broken clock tells the right time twice a day. The same Democrats put in a welfare system that encouraged dependency and discouraged hard work and ambition. They wanted to keep the dark skinned folk down on the plantation.

They rewarded laziness and lack of planning and foresight. Then they wondered why there was so much laziness and lack of foresight.

ruveyn


No one can say that the Democrats' hearts weren't in the right places. On top of that, I think the notion that so many black people are dependent on the government and are shiftless is overblown.
Sort of like all Jews are supposedly greedy leaches. We both know that's not true.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Don't worry, I'm sure ruveyn will back up his claims with 70 years worth of selectively remembered anecdotal evidence, before lecturing others on how politically naive they are for not supporting the wanton use of nuclear weapons. Maybe, if you're really lucky, he'll even talk about how working poor janitors are "lucky duckies".


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31 Dec 2011, 12:12 am

Q: Why did Barrack Obama hold a seance? A: To thank everyone that voted for him.

Mississippi NAACP leader sent to prison for 10 counts of voter fraud

While NAACP President Benjamin Jealous lashed out at new state laws requiring photo ID for voting, an NAACP executive sits in prison, sentenced for carrying out a massive voter fraud scheme.

In a story ignored by the national media, in April a Tunica County, Miss., jury convicted NAACP official Lessadolla Sowers on 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots. Sowers is identified on an NAACP website as a member of the Tunica County NAACP Executive Committee.

Sowers received a five-year prison term for each of the 10 counts, but Circuit Court Judge Charles Webster permitted Sowers to serve those terms concurrently, according to the Tunica Times, the only media outlet to cover the sentencing.

“This crime cuts against the fabric of our free society,” Judge Webster said.

Sowers was found guilty of voting in the names of Carrie Collins, Walter Howard, Sheena Shelton, Alberta Pickett, Draper Cotton and Eddie Davis. She was also convicted of voting in the names of four dead persons: James L. Young, Dora Price, Dorothy Harris, and David Ross.

In the trial, forensic scientist Bo Scales testified that Sowers’s DNA was found on the inner seals of five envelopes containing absentee ballots.

This wasn’t Sowers’s first run-in with the law. Sowers previously had her probation revoked for disturbing the peace at a junior high school library, the Commercial Appeal of Memphis reported in 1990. During a hearing at that time, Sowers played the race card. She claimed to be the victim of “an attempt by powerful whites to silence” her, the newspaper reported. It didn’t work. She was ordered back to prison to complete the remaining two years of a three-year sentence she received for check forgery.

The NAACP has had other problems with voter fraud. The NAACP National Voter Fund registered a dead man to vote in Lake County, Ohio, in 2004. That same year, out of 325 voter registration cards filed by the NAACP in Cleveland, 48 were flagged as fraudulent.

But the NAACP’s voter fraud record doesn’t approach that of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. At least 54 individuals employed by or associated with ACORN have been convicted of voter fraud.

Voter fraud, sometimes called electoral fraud, is a blanket term used by lawyers that encompasses a host of election-related improprieties including fraudulent voting, voter registration fraud, perjury, forgery, counterfeiting, impersonation, intimidation, and identity fraud.

And ACORN, which filed for bankruptcy last November, was itself convicted of voter fraud in Nevada in April. Sentencing is scheduled for Aug. 10 in Las Vegas. ACORN was also banished from Ohio in 2010 when it settled a state racketeering filed against it by the 1851 Center for Constitutional Law, a project of the Buckeye Institute. Under the settlement ACORN, which is now reorganizing its state chapters under different names, agreed never to return to the state.

Election experts say voter fraud is fairly common, but progressive activists typically insist that the crime is virtually nonexistent. Republicans, they say, routinely exaggerate claims of voter fraud in order to whip their political base into a frenzy and push for voter ID laws. Liberals say such laws are unfair, and claim that they discourage minorities and the poor from voting.

The NAACP’s Jealous said Monday at the group’s 102nd annual convention in Los Angeles that photo ID laws are part of an attempt to disenfranchise minorities through some “of the last existing legal pillars of Jim Crow.” Such laws stem from “the worst and most racist elements” in conservative Tea Party groups, he said.

Stephen Colbert, the liberal comedian who portrays an overbearing conservative Republican on his cable TV show “The Colbert Report,” broadcast a segment this week ridiculing Republicans for treating voter fraud as a serious problem.

Some Democrats, however, aren’t laughing. The office of District Attorney Brenda F. Mitchell, a registered Democrat who serves Mississippi’s 11th Circuit Court District, successfully prosecuted Sowers. Mitchell was appointed to the post by Republican Gov. Haley Barbour in January 2010 after the previous DA resigned. She’s now seeking the Democratic nomination for the office in a primary election scheduled for Aug. 2.

Mitchell doesn’t appear to be a conservative. She served as a legal consultant to the far-left, New York-based public interest law firm the Center for Constitutional Rights. That firm represented ACORN in an ultimately unsuccessful lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of a federal law defunding the activist group. Mitchell didn’t return calls seeking comment for this article.

U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Minnesota Democrat, is also no conservative. But she won a conviction against Joshua Reed for voter registration fraud in 2004 when she was the Hennepin County, Minn. Prosecutor.

“It was very important for the public integrity of our electoral system that somebody, if they do something like this, gets charged, gets convicted and gets consequences,” Klobuchar said at the time.

Democrats, including Nevada Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto, Pittsburgh District Attorney Stephen A. Zappala Jr., and Miami, Fla., State Attorney Katherine Fernandez Rundle, have all vigorously prosecuted voter fraud cases.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/29/missi ... z1i5OTOSWr


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