An obsession with Naziism?

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"Just" war, huh?

Is there ever a "just" war? A necessary war, perhaps (at least as far as Hitler was concerned), but is any war "just war".

Even so, WW2 probably would've happened one way or another....

No, there is no such thing as a just war. At least, not in my opinion. Hence the quotation marks.

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No, no, I meant the number of people killed by Stalin in the Soviet Union.

I think photographic technology is also involved. World war two was the first war with decent quality movie cameras, and the still pictures from that war have a much more immediate quality than photos from previous wars. When you watch a show about the civil war, it's obvious you're watching reenactors.

Also, subsequent wars wouldn't make good entertainment. The korean war was so ambiguous that only an aspie could find it interesting. Vietnam is remembered more as a domestic psychological phenomenon. There have been more movies about vietnam veterans than vietnam war movies. There was no doubt about who would win either persian gulf war, so there's it would be like watching a truck run over a dog. Considerable background study is required to understand who's who and what was going on in the former yugoslavia and the wars in africa.

Plus, World war two happened on a very large scale and involved countries everybody knows about.

I don't understand the moral significance of numbers in wholesale murder. Would naziism be less evil if they killed one million innocent civilians instead of six million or twelve million. If stalin killed twenty million people, does that make him more evil than somebody who only killed six million? Is Ted Bundy morally superior to hitler and stalin because he only killed maybe a hundred people?

In my opinion, anybody who kills as many people as they feel like, or as many people as they can is about the same.

Well, one thing is that shows about Nazi's tend to show up frequently every time it nears a major event in World War 2. Like the Normandy Invasion.

I think what bothers me most about the way the Nazi's are treated, is that it was somehow something special, and unique.

No I'm not saying that it wasn't horrific. I'm saying that it's not an isolated incident. Massive genocide on an industrial level happened before, and it's happened since. Mostly though it's to people that no one pays much attention to.


Which probably accounts for why it happens.

In general terms, yes, I agree. As it pertains to the Jews though. Ithink what did them in was 1) they were clanish 2) They (as a group) had too much wealth, and too few numbers to protect that wealth.

The prime motive for the holocaust was'nt racial hatred, that was just a smokescreen for the Nazi's REAL motive.... Theft!! Q: What do you do with 8 million people that you just robbed every penny from?? A: try to kill every last one.

This bothers me too. Mass murder of innocent people is mass murder of innocent people. I read somewhere a while back that there were over a hundred holocaust museums in the US. All the time civilians were being mass murdered in Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia, we were over here building holocaust museums to make sure it never happens again.

Agree. But they always talk again and again about Hitler as if he was worse than Stalin or any other mass murderer. They always drag up the nazis as incarnation of evil, as if they were the only ones.

Another thing I don't understand is the focus on genocide, as though murdering people for their ethnic background is worse than murdering them for some other reason.

We use alot of the technology that the National Socialists developed during the war so we are all criminals!

So what nation approved the obliteration of hundreds of thousands of people, then gave more cancer and radiation sickness for years to come...THEN....kept the deployment vessel of this mass weapon polished up and displayed in a museum???

There's sick people all over the place!

what is sad is even honest jews admit it is a a hoax. the numbers were inflated so high that anyone with a ounce of sense will look at it in a nuetral way and figure out it isa bunk. i am a slav so naturally i have no love for hitlers theories about us and many of his theories. but i do not believe in the holocaust.
i love reading about nazi-sozis. god damb socialists!

Perhaps having an a significant number of their own co-religionists murdered within a few years has understandably worried them. In all honestly, the Jews aren't united into one single bloc. Jews in America, and Israel both tend to the secular, but polls show that Israel Jews overwhelmingly support a different US party then American ones.

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And yes, Jews tend to be prosperous? So what? So do Asians. Is this BAD? Are you accusing Jewish people as a group to you evil methods? Perhaps it's because they work hard.

The fact that Stalin's killings are mentioned less (and it is mentioned more then it used to be) that Stalin killed more then Hitler is because the popular press is friendlier with the communists then the Nazis. You almost never here about the killings of Mao, who killed even more then all the deaths in World War II put together.

As for American Indians there are a couple factors (and not counting the activists who claim falsely to represent most Indians) 1. The time that has passed since the awful events that has occured. 2. The vast majority of Indians that died did not die as a result of gas chamber's but of disease (some died of slavery, but that was not American slavery)



45-51 million est. (depending on whether you include the Ukrainian famine), and this does not include combat deaths in wars Stalin helped start. 20 million is the very low estimate. A very low estimate for Hitler would be 12 million. A more reasonable one would be 20 million (and this doesn't include combat deaths in the wars he started).

72% of the Jewish population of Europe was murdered in the Holocaust. Here is a listing by country(link to source). That includes 2.8 million (85%) in Poland and 2.1 million (81.4%) from the former USSR.

I'm tired, but I will continue to respond to the rest of the posts later. If anyone has any objections, feel free to enter them.

[EDITED FOR MY OWN TERRIBLE CRAMMER, THANK GOD FOR SPELL CHECK!)

You should watch out what you say.
People have gone to jail for doubting the 6 milion figure.
Stating a different opinion can get you in jail in this sick world.
There is freedom of speech on some issues, but the holocaust just is not one of them.

People say it's different here than in Russia or China and that we have freedom of speech.
But this is not true it's just propoganda to try and make you dislike those countrys.
Infact in America or Europe the thought police can put you into jail just as easily for voicing a different opinion.
These days with new anti terrorism laws being implemented at a rapid pace all across the western world it wil become increasingly easy.
As long as the people are being kept scared than they wil accept any freedom undermining law that they think wil protect them from terrorism.

jews are nazis! the holocause is blackmail. and the EU is sick. i can hate anyone i want to hate and i can say what every i want to say about jews and homos or what ever. because i live in the united states of america! I HATE EVERYONE! EQUALLY!


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you know why it is illegal to deny the holocaust? becasue it will not stand up to critisim it is easyly bebunked and they know it. if it is so true then it will stand up against the denyers. that in it self proves the holocaust is a HOAX!