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20 Jan 2012, 8:07 am

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Where, in the U.S. Constitution does it say the government is in the business of providing contraceptive devises to the public? Does giving away rubbers and diaphragms promote the general welfare, or does it promote the general promiscuity?

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I don't think general promiscuity can be promoted. People will engage in it whatever you do. Better to minimise the potential damage.


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20 Jan 2012, 9:49 am

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Do any of you seriously think that any republican's goal is to increase the number of unsafe abortions?
Truly conservative Christians see unwanted pregnancy as a means of punishing women for sexual immorality. In their heads, "if the dirty slut wants to play, she ought to bear the consequences." Why do you think that so many of them are anti-contraception? They honestly think that, if you are having sexual relations at all, you deserve to suffer.

Disgusting? Well, why do you think some of us hate ultra-conservative Christians? They are really that nasty. Not you, not the average Mainliner, but the screaming fundamentalists are just outright filth.



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20 Jan 2012, 9:56 am

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Bringing to light that abortion is a harmful and unnecessary procedure might go a long way to convincing the public that we should get rid of it as a regular medical practice. I don't buy the idea that republicans are conspiring to increase unsafe abortions. I'm just saying that IF that is what they are doing, then the purpose would be to eliminate it


oh yes because that wont kill people instead.


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20 Jan 2012, 12:11 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Where, in the U.S. Constitution does it say the government is in the business of providing contraceptive devises to the public? Does giving away rubbers and diaphragms promote the general welfare, or does it promote the general promiscuity?

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Your constitution probably does not say that public areas should be cleaned, either.

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Does giving away rubbers and diaphragms promote the general welfare, or does it promote the general promiscuity?

Both.

Do you think there is a problem with promiting general promiscuity?.

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Further, its easier to understand ineptitude then evil, and evil is often cunning enough to disguise itself...
To me it is the opposite.

I can trust an evil politician to do evil things. I can't trust a stupid politician to do anything.


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20 Jan 2012, 1:24 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
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Where, in the U.S. Constitution does it say the government is in the business of providing contraceptive devises to the public? Does giving away rubbers and diaphragms promote the general welfare, or does it promote the general promiscuity?

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Your constitution probably does not say that public areas should be cleaned, either.



That is for the local governments to work out, not the central government. We have some remainders of the Federal System under which the Republic was founded.

Cleaning is mostly the business of the cities and towns. Local rubbish is a local matter.

The only cleaning that the Central Government gets involved with is keeping the air, rivers and lakes clean (at least in theory).

If you bother to read the U.S. Constitution only those powers granted to the central govern are what they can exercise. All the other powers go to the States or the people thereof. In theory, the power of the Central Government is limited. In practice, they run our lives through a misinterpretation of the Interstate Commerce Clause.

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20 Jan 2012, 6:25 pm

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It's not the role of government to hand out free rubbers so therefor it's not the fault of the government that back alley abortions are on the rise.


This is true, however, I think it's in the government's best economic interests to make sure people have access to reproductive health services. Everyone woman damaged or injured in a backstreet abortion is the loss of a potentially productive life. This is as true on a global scale as it is on a national one, since we live in a globalised economy.

Even if the women don't have a backstreet abortion, then you have the problems of overpopulation and a general lowering of living standards in developing countries. You don't get a productive workforce out of that.


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I think it's in the government's best economic interests to make sure people have access to reproductive health services.


The government shouldn't and doesn't deny anyone's access to contraceptives. They are free to go buy all the contraceptives they want at their own expense.
If you wanna play then you gotta pay.



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20 Jan 2012, 6:40 pm

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If you wanna play then you gotta pay.


Okay, iamnotaparakeet, please take this as a case-in-point.



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20 Jan 2012, 6:40 pm

Giving free condoms out and sex education To countries were there is high HIV levels and prostitution. Can Lower infected of rates of HIV population. Helping us save some money when we give out aid for HIV victims in those countries.

That is also way it is helpful give some kind of birth control.



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20 Jan 2012, 6:49 pm

Raptor wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
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It's not the role of government to hand out free rubbers so therefor it's not the fault of the government that back alley abortions are on the rise.


This is true, however, I think it's in the government's best economic interests to make sure people have access to reproductive health services. Everyone woman damaged or injured in a backstreet abortion is the loss of a potentially productive life. This is as true on a global scale as it is on a national one, since we live in a globalised economy.

Even if the women don't have a backstreet abortion, then you have the problems of overpopulation and a general lowering of living standards in developing countries. You don't get a productive workforce out of that.


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I think it's in the government's best economic interests to make sure people have access to reproductive health services.


The government shouldn't and doesn't deny anyone's access to contraceptives. They are free to go buy all the contraceptives they want at their own expense.
If you wanna play then you gotta pay.


Well sometimes in poor countries. People are too poor even to buy birth control. And their government can't help them with this.



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20 Jan 2012, 9:08 pm

What we really need is a massive war to keep penises out of vaginas. Like our war on drugs.



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21 Jan 2012, 12:10 am

ruveyn wrote:
blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
read the U.S. Constitution blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah b


You continue to miss the point. Just because something isn't mentioned in the constitution it doesn't mean it should not happen, and there are zillions of things governments do that are not necessarily included in a constitution. Because constitution is the fundamental law but there are other laws too.

Contraception being a key idea to improve everything AND reduce budget expenses, it is a no-brainer. Your argument is such a dumb non-sequitour today that I find it severely offensive that I had to read it twice. And seeing how you yourself so frequently love to talk about why government shouldn't or should do things you like that are not specified in the US constitution makes me wonder if you are not just trolling this time.


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21 Jan 2012, 1:35 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Do any of you seriously think that any republican's goal is to increase the number of unsafe abortions?

It's the goal of religious conservatives to make sure that women 'pay the price' for daring to have sex, whether that price is having children that they don't want or if it's having an unsafe abortion.



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21 Jan 2012, 3:29 am

WilliamWDelaney wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Do any of you seriously think that any republican's goal is to increase the number of unsafe abortions?
Truly conservative Christians see unwanted pregnancy as a means of punishing women for sexual immorality. In their heads, "if the dirty slut wants to play, she ought to bear the consequences." Why do you think that so many of them are anti-contraception? They honestly think that, if you are having sexual relations at all, you deserve to suffer.

Disgusting? Well, why do you think some of us hate ultra-conservative Christians? They are really that nasty. Not you, not the average Mainliner, but the screaming fundamentalists are just outright filth.


I can tell you, as a Mainline Protestant (Lutheran), you are absolutely right. I can really feel for moderate Muslims who feel that their faith has been highjacked by extremists, because that's exactly what the religious right is doing to Christianity today.

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21 Jan 2012, 3:39 am

Lady-ivy wrote:
Raptor wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Raptor wrote:
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It's not the role of government to hand out free rubbers so therefor it's not the fault of the government that back alley abortions are on the rise.


This is true, however, I think it's in the government's best economic interests to make sure people have access to reproductive health services. Everyone woman damaged or injured in a backstreet abortion is the loss of a potentially productive life. This is as true on a global scale as it is on a national one, since we live in a globalised economy.

Even if the women don't have a backstreet abortion, then you have the problems of overpopulation and a general lowering of living standards in developing countries. You don't get a productive workforce out of that.


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I think it's in the government's best economic interests to make sure people have access to reproductive health services.


The government shouldn't and doesn't deny anyone's access to contraceptives. They are free to go buy all the contraceptives they want at their own expense.
If you wanna play then you gotta pay.


Well sometimes in poor countries. People are too poor even to buy birth control. And their government can't help them with this.


Well if their country's government can't afford to buy them the things that the individual is responsible for in the first place I can't see why the United States government should.



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21 Jan 2012, 4:09 am

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The government shouldn't and doesn't deny anyone's access to contraceptives. They are free to go buy all the contraceptives they want at their own expense.
If you wanna play then you gotta pay.


I never said the government was obliged to give out free contraception. I just said that it was in the government's best interests to give out free contraception.


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21 Jan 2012, 4:10 am

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What we really need is a massive war to keep penises out of vaginas. Like our war on drugs.


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