Does anyone else agree with feminism?

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I'm against feminism.
It's nothing but destructive.

Not so. Just like today's feminism is largely a vehicle for the pro-abortion movement, masculinism is largely a vehicle for men's rights to their children after a divorce.

check out this link: http://manboobz.com/
he surfs the MRA forums so that we don't have to. No, it's not just about custody after a divorce - though there is a surprising amount of bitterness over the fact that the person who mostly cared for the children is the one who generally gets custoy of the children after a divorce.

WilliamWDelaney

actually i think more than ever feminism is about advocating for gender equality. in the past feminism had a whole lotta issues. the suffreggettes were for getting the vote for women so long as they were upper class and white. feminists later had issues with racism, transphobia and homophobia and were far too fond of the gender binary for my liking. nowadays its all about intersectionality. you cannot liberate one group in society without liberating them all. people need to be freed from economic, racial, gender, sex, sexual, age, ability, etc oppression, roots up for there to be any sort of equality.
if your friend did not pick up offensive habits(if his bad habbits included staring at peoples boobs on the other hand...) at his job then i am sorry for what happened to him. feminists absolutely oppose the binaristic stereotypes imposed by society on the sexes and as such do not in any way condone the injustice your friend might have experienced. what happened to your friend is a result of the sexist stereotyping that goes on in the world- men are detached from their feelings and cannot nurture children and women are natural mothers and are much more suited to raising children. that is the sort of biological determinism that feminists speak out against(most of them). feminism's purpose is to stop stuff like this from happening. people should not be judged on their gender or be expected to live up to sexist, limited notions of what a "proper" man or woman is. you cannot be for freeing people from being required to live according to the gender binary and being ok with what happened to your friend.

also does your finishing statement include male and genderqueer feminists too? because they too can be feminists... and you called me a baboon. lol.

Of course I agree with feminism because I am female.
Yes, I recognize women as human since I consider myself to be human.

Women are obviously different than men but we should be equal members of society.
Unfortunately we are far from this.
We are expected to wear makup and fashionable cloths. If we refuse to do this than we will be ridiculed and have trouble finding a job.

To be against the idea of feminism is a form of sexism. Yes, it is true that some feminist movements have gone to far.
They have become sexists themselves but this is only a small percentage of feminists.

I'm certainly pro-feminist, but I'm not in favor of radical feminism.

On this forum, I see plenty of misogynistic language against women, with even some users referring to them as aliens. It is too unfortunate, not just here, but in many places, that men blame women for their problems.

That last thing I wish for is for women to be like men. G-D forbid, assuming G-D exists.

ruveyn

You see, God forbidding it is even more of a reason to do it, for me.

I'm fine with the idea of feminism, but people who call themselves feminists are often a bit nuts.

I do think it's unfair that women are judged on their appearance far more than men are.

Try getting a job as a male with long hair. Even nicely kept long hair.

Also, it's primarily women who ridicule women for the way they dress, not men.
All most men care about is that the woman beneath all the make up and fancy dress is pretty.
But maybe this is just me. Personally, I hate for a woman to wear make-up, and I prefer her to dress plain. But of course I do understand the need less attractive women feel to try and bridge the space between them and more attractive women, because in todays world, it is certainly an advantage to be attractive.


And, men and women are of equal value, but they are not the same, and, though they should be allowed to do the same things, they should not be expected to, or, even, I dare say - be encouraged to.

Pleased to make your acquaintance. I'm more than a 'bit' nuts.

Gender roles are fictive, much like fictive kin (e.g.: Aryan brotherhood, the military, religion), are used to exploit and manipulate. It's origins come from religion like most of today's sociocultural bull. Gender roles are not directly beneficial to reproduction. Without them, we would still naturally be able to reproduce -natural selection would play it's part. ( ) With it, we over-reproduce, and then we overburden ourselves and our environment, giving authority a cause to exploit us and others. Gender roles are unnecessary and trump freedom and equality.


- Would we, with ASDs, still exist? How would you describe us in evolutionary terms? Positive, negative, or neutral mutation, adaptation, etc.?

I don't have much practice with argumentative writing. Any feedback is appreciated, of course.

And women never blame men for their problems ever? What about that t-shirt 'boys are stupid, throw rocks at them'?

I wouldn't say gender roles are entirely else. In order to make the sexes entirely equal, you would have to coerce them into going against their nature at least as much as the gender roles coerce the sexes to conform to the idea of what a sex's nature is.

No matter how equal the rights of sexes towards everything is, the fact is more women are going to be stay-at-home parents than men, and more men are going to be in sports. That doesn't mean that all women love kids or that all men love sports (personally, I love neither of those things ) but I think gender roles exaggerate biological tendencies, rather than create all of the differences between the sexes.

No and no. Men and women are inherently different on a neurological and biological level. It is both men and women that enforce gender roles so it's not patriarchal oppression but a mutual thing. Gender roles do blow the differences between the sexes out of proportion, but for the most part they determine how these real biological and neurological differences manifest in modern society. I highly doubt that the manifestations of masculinity and femininity boil down to nothing more than "Cuz society said so". These social constructions are built on a foundation of real biological differences.

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