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25 Jan 2012, 1:26 pm

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I can't see big difference between animals and humans. We all fear death and fight for survival. But in the end we all die. For me, life is absurd and without meaning.
Does anyone feel the way i do? What do you live for?

I live because i FEAR.


What do I live for? Well I dunno.

But the situation is I wound up here having the human experience. So I guess I can do stuff in whatever corner of the world I wound up in if I want to.

Maybe have some fun and enjoy simple pleasures when I can. Have some good beer once in a while.

I've just been working a dud career and a few odd jobs. I'd kind of like to have more money so I'm retraining again in college.

With a better job I could do more things and buy more stuff. But in my life I've decided to be careful and not buy to much stuff. I have a Kindle now but might like having a modest collection of books. Maybe just one shelf of hardcovers.

Also it would be nice to have a nicer home, but not to big and expensive. Again trying to learn from some past blunders and trying to be more sensible.

But really what am I writing about here? I don't seem to be getting to a point because there might not be one. At least so far. For now though I can try to learn and grow and decide if I can do some cool stuff here.

As for the bigger questions: is there a God, or Master Plan? I don't know so I try not to worry about it. If there is a God it's probably something so beyond human understanding I'm not sure how knowledge of it would benefit me anyway.



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25 Jan 2012, 3:08 pm

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personally, i want to live Self Sufficiently one day so i dont become a slave to the System, only then will i feel like i have lived a satisfying life when i die


I liked the idea for a long time of being self-suffficient. Still do in some ways. Partly an idealization of the past when humans were self-sufficient or much more so than now, anyway. But I think it would be very hard to do it entirely by oneself and some size of group would be necessary. In a sense, we are self-sufficient, it's just a bigger group, a global eco-village.

But why want to be self-sufficient? Would this entail missing out on all the medical, technological advances that we take for granted which are largely dependent on large systems for their production? We've done self-sufficiency as a species thousands of years ago. We're doing something new now. I kind of want to embrace that and be part of it as well as enjoy all of the benefits of the global village. Life's exciting at the cutting edge, and too short and precious to spendd on meagre self-sufficiency.

Of course, it's each to their own. Really I'm just playing out the ambiguity in my own mind about self-sufficiency.



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25 Jan 2012, 3:16 pm

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just because something is fleeting or pointless or absurd doesn't mean it's not worth experiencing. there's a lot of stuff to learn. i love learning.

also, humans are animals.


I don't think your statement makes sense. 'Worthness' requires some thing for the sake of which another thing is done. If the end sought is a sense 'pointness' or 'non-absurdity' or whatever else, andf these are not there to be had, then there is no 'worth'. 'Worth' requires a value to be there. The OP's point is that no value appears to be there.



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25 Jan 2012, 3:24 pm

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i agree with you 100% and i live in spite of the Absurd. i learned not long ago that life has no meaning except on the individual level, your meaning is what you do with your life. there is no Grand Purpose or Plan for humanity, to think so is arrogance and the highest form of ignorance. we simply exist just like all life does, but what we decide to do in our life is whats important, when you die will you be full of regret and despair or will you be satisfied for living a rewarding life? its all up to you


I like this view a lot. Very Nietzchean, would you say? But I'm concerned it is an unattainable ideal. Is it all up to me? Does that not require free-will? Is all of me up to me? Am I scared of my freedom? Ignorant of it's existence? What if I can't seem to do what I want with my life? If it was this simple and obvious, why arn't more people doing it? Or, are they?



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25 Jan 2012, 3:26 pm

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Your life has exactly the meaning you give to it.

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But I find I give my life someone else's meaning. Where am I going wrong?



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25 Jan 2012, 3:33 pm

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Your life has exactly the meaning you give to it. ruveyn
But I find I give my life someone else's meaning. Where am I going wrong?

You're giving your life someone else's meaning.



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25 Jan 2012, 3:40 pm

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Your life has exactly the meaning you give to it. ruveyn
But I find I give my life someone else's meaning. Where am I going wrong?

You're giving your life someone else's meaning.


Don't you to some extent?



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25 Jan 2012, 6:13 pm

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I don't believe in God, don't believe in human kindness, don't believe in free will, neither in a supreme purpose.


Likewise on God and free will. There cannot be a supreme purpose (it would be an inductive fallacy - whatever this ultimate goal is, we must ask... why?). Human kindness *does* exist, and is seen on a daily basis, so I'm guessing you mean something else there. Altruism? Very rare, and I'd consider genuine altruism to be a form of mental illness. We never do anything for no benefit whatsoever unless we're crazy, even if that benefit is just feeling good about it.

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Sometimes i reflect upon my own death and i realise i have no reason to fight, though I know i have an high potential to do something interesting. But i can't help humanity... I can't help myself. I can't see big difference between animals and humans. We all fear death and fight for survival. But in the end we all die. For me, life is absurd and without meaning.
Does anyone feel the way i do? What do you live for?


Life is indeed absurd and fundamentally pointless. That's why I went mad. Some might say you can't choose to become mad, but I did exactly that. I can recommend it.

We can't help humanity. We can only do what we can to help that part of it we have control over, and leave the rest of it to sort itself out. We can help ourselves to a point. And yes, we will die. I'm looking forward to the rest.

I live for pleasure. I do things I like doing, and seek out new experiences to enjoy. I also do work type stuff I don't enjoy because the alternative is worse (eg. having no money). But I don't mind that too much, because I enjoy getting things done. I also like people around me to be happy, so I am kind and polite and helpful. Pleasure is as meaningless as anything else in existence, but I prefer it to boredom or pain.



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25 Jan 2012, 7:58 pm

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Your life has exactly the meaning you give to it. ruveyn
But I find I give my life someone else's meaning. Where am I going wrong?

You're giving your life someone else's meaning.


Don't you to some extent?


If you've given too much of your life away, you'll most likely feel depressed. It's because you got to the point you forgot your values.


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25 Jan 2012, 8:10 pm

For the most part, the significance of an individual life does not extend far beyond oneself. It's like dropping a rock in a pond. Where the rock hits, there is quite a splash ... the center of existence at that moment. The ripples extend for a bit and then die out to the point of insignifcance. IMO, the point of impact is representative of one's life, the ripples are the effect that one has on people in his/her immediate vicinity and the calmness of the water is the rest of humanity. Most folks are only too eager to attach a lot of importance to their own lives because the water is very choppy in their immediate vicinity and they want to think that choppiness extends infinitely. But if they could only see beyond the minor ripples, perhaps they'd be inclined to take a second look at their own perceived importance.



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25 Jan 2012, 8:35 pm

Saturn wrote:
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Your life has exactly the meaning you give to it. ruveyn
But I find I give my life someone else's meaning. Where am I going wrong?
You're giving your life someone else's meaning.
Don't you to some extent?

No. I express the meaning that I have given my life. What others make of what I express is of no concern to me, unless it affects my employment, my marriage, or my credit rating.

Otherwise, I Gotta Be Me!



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25 Jan 2012, 8:59 pm

I lived my life because I had hope in finding my true love.

Now I live my life to see if any significant, positive, paranormal event, unlikely enough takes place at the end of 2012, that somehow, in some way, later will lead to me finding my true love. 2013 will, in other words, likely be the year that I die.

I don't fear death at all. If I don't find my true love, my next life will be at a better planet, more suited for me, where I WILL find her, instead of at this cursed, rotten world. I am, however, concerned with the process of dying. If anyone knows of any unmessy, painless tips on that, please PM or e-mail me. Thanks. I heard there are death doctors in Oregon, that give you drinks that kill you? How does that work?


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25 Jan 2012, 9:38 pm

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I lived my life because I had hope in finding my true love.

Now I live my life to see if any significant, positive, paranormal event, unlikely enough takes place at the end of 2012, that somehow, in some way, later will lead to me finding my true love. 2013 will, in other words, likely be the year that I die.

I don't fear death at all. If I don't find my true love, my next life will be at a better planet, more suited for me, where I WILL find her, instead of at this cursed, rotten world. I am, however, concerned with the process of dying. If anyone knows of any unmessy, painless tips on that, please PM or e-mail me. Thanks. I heard there are death doctors in Oregon, that give you drinks that kill you? How does that work?


I hope you're not looking for "the one".


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25 Jan 2012, 9:57 pm

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I hope you're not looking for "the one".


Yup, the one to close fate with, and become one with, in eternity. That's the one.


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25 Jan 2012, 10:07 pm

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I hope you're not looking for "the one".


Yup, the one to close fate with, and become one with, in eternity. That's the one.


You better get your bucket list out, good thing it's a leap year.

EDIT: Anyways, you have to find yourself before you find that other person.


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25 Jan 2012, 10:41 pm

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personally, i want to live Self Sufficiently one day so i dont become a slave to the System, only then will i feel like i have lived a satisfying life when i die


I liked the idea for a long time of being self-suffficient. Still do in some ways. Partly an idealization of the past when humans were self-sufficient or much more so than now, anyway. But I think it would be very hard to do it entirely by oneself and some size of group would be necessary. In a sense, we are self-sufficient, it's just a bigger group, a global eco-village.

But why want to be self-sufficient? Would this entail missing out on all the medical, technological advances that we take for granted which are largely dependent on large systems for their production? We've done self-sufficiency as a species thousands of years ago. We're doing something new now. I kind of want to embrace that and be part of it as well as enjoy all of the benefits of the global village. Life's exciting at the cutting edge, and too short and precious to spendd on meagre self-sufficiency.

Of course, it's each to their own. Really I'm just playing out the ambiguity in my own mind about self-sufficiency.


oh trust me i am probably one of the biggest technophiles you will ever meet, in todays day and age it's virtually impossible to be completely Self Sufficient so i just want to be as Self Sufficient as possible, solar panels, farm that sorta thing

i also want to be a politician, remember our Founding Fathers were both politicians and farmers


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