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10 Feb 2012, 8:57 am

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He's right, you know. We just have conservatives like Obama, and vicious fascists like the Republican Party.

We'll make another dunce cap just for you, then.......... :doh:

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10 Feb 2012, 10:36 am

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pandabear wrote:

He's right, you know. We just have conservatives like Obama, and vicious fascists like the Republican Party.

We'll make another dunce cap just for you, then.......... :doh:

You're way out of line. :shameonyou:

Just you wait: I'll tell a moderator on you, and you'll be in BIG TROUBLE!! !!

But, to clarify the point: The last of the Great Liberal Presidents was Richard Nixon. The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which represents a small step in the right direction, is about 80 years over-due.

President Obama is just trying to hold on to what we have, while the Repugnicans are trying to tear the country apart.

That makes President Obama a Conservative, and the Repugnicans ultra-fascists.

As you well know, thanks very much to Repugnicans, the quickest way to vast wealth in the USA is through contracting to the federal government. Just ask Ross Perot, or Prick Cheney.

Contractors are taking in so much dough that they can afford to hire people to write unpatriotic statements on the internet during business hours. Getting the word out really does help to support their bottom line.

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10 Feb 2012, 11:03 am

Tadzio wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

emtyeye wrote:

The US now has more people behind bars than Stalin had in the Gulags:

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/a ... rge_gopnik

But they are not being tortured.

ruveyn

Hi ruveyn,

Too bad the "non-torture" is so often fatal in the U.S.A.:

bluntedboywonder wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILEmYeX7eHQ[/youtube]

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62-year-old Nick Christie was restrained, gagged and pepper sprayed up to 10 times in the Lee County Jail in Florida - his death is raising questions about torture and abuse

This is a disgrace!

An news article has more details of the common "rare practice":
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/1 ... 92412.html

Then, sissy me is worried about more of "reasonable accommodation" to a helped early death:

Tadzio wrote:

After about 16 years of driving with no traffic citations, I stopped driving almost 25 years ago. State Rehab demanded that I continue to seek jobs requiring driving, but when simple partial seizures more often progressed to complex partial seizures sometimes like short-term melt-downs, I regarded driving as too dangerous.

In public, I now now try to maintain continuous recordings & GPS tracking for such events, as the public & police are often hostile in their responses. A recently released video of a guy on the roads of Henderson, Nevada in Diabetic Shock, illustrates what some responses can be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv6Mzcs8Vuw
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv6Mzcs8Vuw[/youtube]

Tadzio

Iran is looking for more diplomats to explain away the history of WWII, since "un-tortured" history is so unpleasant. Besides, as Ted Bundy claimed: "Look At All The People Not Murdered!! !" But, that still seems like a very, very poor defense.

Tadzio

Sure. There are wrongful deaths in prison. But most people who go to prison, live to be released.

In fact our prisons are so over-crowded that many of the inmates are released before their sentences are served.

Prisons are cages, in American, not death camps. And prisoners are generally not worked to death as they were in the Gulags.

I am not making a brief for our prison system. But in the scale of things our prisons are bad, but the Gulags were much worse.

ruveyn

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10 Feb 2012, 12:01 pm

Magdalena wrote:

My response can be condensed to a single, simple sentence:

Repeal drug laws.

Now there's an idea.

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10 Feb 2012, 12:22 pm

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Fortunately, unlike the USA, Canada actually has a left.

That will be the stoopid remark of the day even though the day is young.
You’ll have to work hard to top that one.

Its not stupid, its true

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10 Feb 2012, 12:28 pm

Vigilans wrote:

Raptor wrote:

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Fortunately, unlike the USA, Canada actually has a left.

That will be the stoopid remark of the day even though the day is young.
You’ll have to work hard to top that one.

Its not stupid, its true

Last I checked I am not on the right and I live in the U.S.A....so apparently not true. At least I assume anarcho-communism would be more towards the left than right. Not that I really give two sh*ts about how far right or left it is.

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10 Feb 2012, 12:36 pm

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I find your interpretation of my statement ironically atomistic for someone on the left. There's a difference between having a "few scattered, isolated, pockets of leftish individuals" and having a powerful, organized, leftwing force that pressures and shifts elite political opinion, takes part in agenda setting, takes part in electoral politics, and is represented in the mainstream national conversation. The last time anything close to that took place was in the 1930s, when something of a "left-liberal alliance" drafted certain policies that were partially incorporated into the New Deal. I suppose in the 1960s and early 1970s there was also a left, but it was largely isolated from political influence like todays left, but a bit more violent (even though a majority of the terror attacks from groups like the Weathermen Underground were more vandalist in nature).

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10 Feb 2012, 12:48 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

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Fortunately, unlike the USA, Canada actually has a left.

That will be the stoopid remark of the day even though the day is young.
You’ll have to work hard to top that one.

Its not stupid, its true

Your country does not have a major political party that actually is on the left

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10 Feb 2012, 12:55 pm

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Not quite sure what irony you'd be referring to..........I was just making the point not everyone in the U.S is on the right and there are probably better things to conflict about than left vs. right because that seems to cause people to end up thinking a certain way to live up to what being on the right or left is supposed to mean to be right or part of the bigger group rather than because it's what they really believe in.

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10 Feb 2012, 12:55 pm

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Sweetleaf wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

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Fortunately, unlike the USA, Canada actually has a left.

That will be the stoopid remark of the day even though the day is young.
You’ll have to work hard to top that one.

Its not stupid, its true

Your country does not have a major political party that actually is on the left

Well no sh*t, I do live here you know...we have a very screwed up system and the democrats and republicans are both part of it. So in reality we really have one ruling party with that stupid pre-election republicans vs. democrat act to convince the public they really can make a difference by voting for whatever democratic or republican candidate sounds the best. When really they are both getting paid off by corporate america to do whatever is in the interest of big business and the wealthy elite or whatever they're referred to as rather then whats in the interest of the citizens. So yeah I know and it's BS.

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10 Feb 2012, 12:56 pm

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emtyeye wrote:

The US now has more people behind bars than Stalin had in the Gulags:

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/a ... rge_gopnik

But they are not being tortured.

ruveyn

Oh, they are.

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10 Feb 2012, 12:58 pm

I will probably die by cop.

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10 Feb 2012, 1:06 pm

emtyeye wrote:

... one way to torture people is to lock them up with nothing to do. Nothing to do but sit there and rot...

I would love to read your research on prison reform, if only to find out what you would consider to be a viable alternative.

People who obey the laws are more deserving of freedom to move around and enjoy life than those who think they are above the law.

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10 Feb 2012, 1:16 pm

Fnord wrote:

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... one way to torture people is to lock them up with nothing to do. Nothing to do but sit there and rot...

All laws? Should women go to prison for using contraception? Those could be some new laws...does your stance of "People who obey the laws are more deserving of freedom to move around and enjoy life than those who think they are above the law" still apply?

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10 Feb 2012, 1:20 pm

Fnord wrote:

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... one way to torture people is to lock them up with nothing to do. Nothing to do but sit there and rot...

That is provided the laws make sense and has some basis in reality......I don't see how someone who smokes cannabis for instance is less deserving of freedom to move around and enjoy life than someone who drinks. I would certainly agree if someone is out causing harm to other people they certainly should be removed from other people and prison is the place for that I guess. But its the problem of laws that simply aren't in the interest of the people being used against them for doing nothing all that wrong.

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10 Feb 2012, 1:22 pm

shrox wrote:

Fnord wrote:

emtyeye wrote:

... one way to torture people is to lock them up with nothing to do. Nothing to do but sit there and rot...

I would love to read your research on prison reform, if only to find out what you would consider to be a viable alternative. People who obey the laws are more deserving of freedom to move around and enjoy life than those who think they are above the law.

ALL laws. If someone doesn't like the law, then he or she can either change the law, or relocate to a place that does not have the law.

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