God most likely does not exist

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18 Mar 2012, 9:14 pm

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And then there is the fact that something - *anything* - ever existed at all. Logically, it shouldn't.

Huh?

Evolution, Big Bang, all these theories start with something. But how did anything exist in the first place?

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18 Mar 2012, 10:28 pm

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But how did anything exist in the first place?

Impossible to know.

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18 Mar 2012, 10:31 pm

I'd like to see what led to the probability of God's existence.

Should be LOL.

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19 Mar 2012, 1:54 am

scubasteve wrote:

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And then there is the fact that something - *anything* - ever existed at all. Logically, it shouldn't.

Huh?

Evolution, Big Bang, all these theories start with something. But how did anything exist in the first place?

I don't know how to answer that question. I also don't see the relevance. If there is an answer, then the only way for that answer to work is if it is logically necessary that a certain thing existed, otherwise it could possibly NOT exist. But the issue is that if God or something else were logically necessary, we wouldn't need this kind of round-about way of proving God's existence, it just wouldn't make sense. So, from what I can see, this question actually is useless, because once we can start giving ANY answer of an existing thing that allows other existing things, then I can just presuppose the "Big Bang creator", an entity that only has the power to cause a Big Bang to occur, and then claim that this is more ontologically parsimonious than any God.

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19 Mar 2012, 4:34 am

Obviously, there is no man in the sky in the literal sense. For anyone who believes that, well they might as well believe in Santa Claus, it is no different. Religion is evil for spouting such obvious untruths to children who don't know the difference between metaphor and fact.

But science cannot explain everything, and so that is what I consider to be my version of God. That which cannot be comprehended by man.

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19 Mar 2012, 8:12 am

scubasteve wrote:

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And then there is the fact that something - *anything* - ever existed at all. Logically, it shouldn't.

Huh?

Evolution, Big Bang, all these theories start with something. But how did anything exist in the first place?

This is where "I don't know" comes into play. To go, "we don't know, therefore god did it" is a non sequitur.

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19 Mar 2012, 12:38 pm

scubasteve wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

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And then there is the fact that something - *anything* - ever existed at all. Logically, it shouldn't.

Huh?

Evolution, Big Bang, all these theories start with something. But how did anything exist in the first place?

Arguing for God is special pleading.

A. Nothing exists without a cause.
B. The universe exists.
C. The universe has a cause.

But if that cause is God, then God must also have a cause (from A). But if God is causeless, then A is false, and there is no logical necessity for the universe to have a cause either.

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19 Mar 2012, 12:58 pm

which god?

there were several thousands of them throughout history… all invented by humans, and all rejected by the followers of other religions they didn't belong to.

what should make this surviving god differ from all the other several thousand previous gods?

reject him already and lets get it over with. religion doesn't do humanity any good.

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19 Mar 2012, 12:59 pm

keats died at 26, demjanjuk at 91, therefore god does not exist.

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19 Mar 2012, 2:28 pm

TM wrote:

scubasteve wrote:

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And then there is the fact that something - *anything* - ever existed at all. Logically, it shouldn't.

Huh?

Evolution, Big Bang, all these theories start with something. But how did anything exist in the first place?

This is where "I don't know" comes into play. To go, "we don't know, therefore god did it" is a non sequitur.

I never said God had to be behind it, or necessarily even exists. All I'm saying is I have yet to hear a better explanation.

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19 Mar 2012, 2:30 pm

graywyvern wrote:

keats died at 26, demjanjuk at 91, therefore god does not exist.

Or God cannot control life and death... Or God chooses not to control it... Or God is evil... Many other possibilities here.

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19 Mar 2012, 2:37 pm

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I never said God had to be behind it, or necessarily even exists. All I'm saying is I have yet to hear a better explanation.

Take these questions hypothetically:

So somehow a being lived and existed before the universe was created. This being created our universe? What created that being?

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19 Mar 2012, 2:41 pm

abacacus wrote:

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I never said God had to be behind it, or necessarily even exists. All I'm saying is I have yet to hear a better explanation.

Take these questions hypothetically:

So somehow a being lived and existed before the universe was created. This being created our universe? What created that being?

You're assuming God is a "being"...

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19 Mar 2012, 3:06 pm

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I can just presuppose the "Big Bang creator", an entity that only has the power to cause a Big Bang to occur, and then claim that this is more ontologically parsimonious than any God.

But for a certain type of philosopher, "God" means exactly "Big Bang creator"! This is just playing with words. If you have a First Cause in your ontology, it's fair to call it God. If you don't like to call it God, then you just have an unhealthy emotional investment in words. Words are just words.

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19 Mar 2012, 3:09 pm

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Evolution, Big Bang, all these theories start with something. But how did anything exist in the first place?

In science I watched a documentary that said there are two kinds of nothing. Nothing as in empty. But Nothing with something such as matter and particles, etc. A nothing with mass.

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19 Mar 2012, 3:15 pm

enrico_dandolo wrote:

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But how did anything exist in the first place?

Impossible to know.

Or, could it be argued that "Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another. ", so perhaps the universe always existed and has only changed in form? Maybe it's impossible for the human mind to accept that something has existed for infinity, ...but in different forms?

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