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02 Apr 2012, 12:31 am

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i should clarify: some people DO *believe* they can fly. most people *think* they cannot. one camp is correct.


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02 Apr 2012, 12:33 am

Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
i should clarify: some people DO *believe* they can fly. most people *think* they cannot. one camp is correct.


Those people are on mushrooms


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02 Apr 2012, 12:34 am

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from my observations, people generally can't fly. of course, i don't mean that they can't fly in an airplane; i mean they can't flap their wings and soar of their own volition.


Is this even on topic?

i have no idea. if you think it is off topic, i'd like to hear how, because i did try to answer your question.


You mean you don't believe that people can't fly and that is your non-position?

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Or you're not sure of yourself?

Are you really not sure of yourself, or are you just implying that?


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02 Apr 2012, 12:34 am

Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
i should clarify: some people DO *believe* they can fly. most people *think* they cannot. one camp is correct.


Those people are on mushrooms


Dont knock it until you try it :wink:



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02 Apr 2012, 12:36 am

Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
i should clarify: some people DO *believe* they can fly. most people *think* they cannot. one camp is correct.


Those people are on mushrooms


Dont knock it until you try it :wink:


I don't recommend shiitake.


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02 Apr 2012, 12:37 am

snapcap wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
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hyperlexian wrote:
from my observations, people generally can't fly. of course, i don't mean that they can't fly in an airplane; i mean they can't flap their wings and soar of their own volition.


Is this even on topic?

i have no idea. if you think it is off topic, i'd like to hear how, because i did try to answer your question.


You mean you don't believe that people can't fly and that is your non-position?

8)

Or you're not sure of yourself?

Are you really not sure of yourself, or are you just implying that?

i THINK people can't fly. i don't see how belief comes into it.


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02 Apr 2012, 12:39 am

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hyperlexian wrote:
from my observations, people generally can't fly. of course, i don't mean that they can't fly in an airplane; i mean they can't flap their wings and soar of their own volition.


Is this even on topic?

i have no idea. if you think it is off topic, i'd like to hear how, because i did try to answer your question.


You mean you don't believe that people can't fly and that is your non-position?

8)

Or you're not sure of yourself?

Are you really not sure of yourself, or are you just implying that?

i THINK people can't fly. i don't see how belief comes into it.


I am not going to call Snapcap annoying but he does seem to frustrate people in these threads.



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02 Apr 2012, 12:43 am

hyperlexian wrote:
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snapcap wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
from my observations, people generally can't fly. of course, i don't mean that they can't fly in an airplane; i mean they can't flap their wings and soar of their own volition.


Is this even on topic?

i have no idea. if you think it is off topic, i'd like to hear how, because i did try to answer your question.


You mean you don't believe that people can't fly and that is your non-position?

8)

Or you're not sure of yourself?

Are you really not sure of yourself, or are you just implying that?

i THINK people can't fly. i don't see how belief comes into it.


Then why do you act like belief could be held above knowledge? I know no one could fly on their on volition as well. I don't merely believe it, I know it.


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02 Apr 2012, 10:52 am

i don't see how i am holding it up higher. i am pretty certain i cannot fly, but for some ridiculous reason there are people who believe they can.


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02 Apr 2012, 11:14 am

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i don't see how i am holding it up higher. i am pretty certain i cannot fly, but for some ridiculous reason there are people who believe they can.


Do you hold not believing that you can fly as your non-position?


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02 Apr 2012, 11:44 am

Hyperlexian lacks a belief that she can fly.

She doesnt actively believe in the nonexistence of her ability to fly.

She just lacks the belief in her abiltiy to fly.

So she has a nonbelief in her ability to fly, not a belief in her non abiltity to fly.

But if she took up the banner of the holy cause of stamping out the belief in unmechanically assisted human flight then it would become a creed. She would be actively adhering to a belief in her inability to fly.

Then it would become: a belief in her inability to fly. Because she would be actively adhereing to that belief as a belief.

She might then act on that creed to go out and convert the likes of R.Kelly who passionately sang out "I Believe I Can Fly" for the movie "Space Balls" to abandon their heretical thinking.



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02 Apr 2012, 12:12 pm

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Hyperlexian lacks a belief that she can fly.


And that somehow presumes Hyper also does not believe that she can't fly?

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She doesnt actively believe in the nonexistence of her ability to fly.


Even if someone believes something, I don't think that means they actively believe it all the time. But when it comes up they will remember that they either do or don't.

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She just lacks the belief in her abiltiy to fly.


So if someone asked her "Do you believe you can't fly?", her answer would be no?

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So she has a nonbelief in her ability to fly, not a belief in her non abiltity to fly.


So her not believing that she can fly is her non-position?

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But if she took up the banner of the holy cause of stamping out the belief in unmechanically assisted human flight then it would become a creed. She would be actively adhering to a belief in her inability to fly.


I don't see how that changes the belief in flight. She could say "I don't believe I can fly" and go on her holy crusade. She could say "I believe that I can't fly" and you'd never hear her mention it again.

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Then it would become: a belief in her inability to fly. Because she would be actively adhereing to that belief as a belief.


She adheres to the belief that she can't fly just as much as she would adhere to the non-belief of her ability to fly. There's no difference.

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She might then act on that creed to go out and convert the likes of R.Kelly who passionately sang out "I Believe I Can Fly" for the movie "Space Balls" to abandon their heretical thinking.


I don't really like the analogy to the belief of flight, because it can be validated whether people can fly or not.

It's silly to say, "I believe I can't fly" because you should know you can't fly. I'd like to meet the anatomist that put the doubt in someone to say they believe, like for all they know, they can't fly.

But you can believe or not believe in God. God cannot be validated either way.


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02 Apr 2012, 12:20 pm

I can see how people think I had a bad attitude last night.

Sorry, it was the alcohol.


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02 Apr 2012, 12:45 pm

I'm sorry, I had to.

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02 Apr 2012, 12:50 pm

I had too many Cristals and ghetto purple drank.


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02 Apr 2012, 4:19 pm

The English language is limited as a tool to communicate. The best we can do when using the language is to use words that are as clear as possible. It is also important not to use words which can lead to incorrect conclusions. Someone on another thread on this forum used a Venn diagram which is completely unambiguous.