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15 Apr 2012, 4:33 pm

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There was no "hard and harsh war" going on within Argentina--simply the government decided to get nasty and murder thousands of its own citizens. As Hitler did with many German citizens.


Then shame on those governments.

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15 Apr 2012, 4:33 pm

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War is a cruel and nasty business. Get used to the idea.


You support a brutal dictatorship enacting war upon its own citizens and threatening other peaceable communities?



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15 Apr 2012, 4:35 pm

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War is a cruel and nasty business. Get used to the idea.


You support a brutal dictatorship enacting war upon its own citizens and threatening other peaceable communities?


ruveyn never stated he supported it.



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15 Apr 2012, 4:35 pm

Tequila wrote:
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War is a cruel and nasty business. Get used to the idea.


You support a brutal dictatorship enacting war upon its own citizens and threatening other peaceable communities?


No I don't. There were other alternatives.

WW2 was different. The fascists started the war and it had to be finished with their destruction.

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15 Apr 2012, 4:36 pm

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ruveyn never stated he supported it.


No, he didn't - but it sounds like the appalling actions of the Argentinian junta, not just towards the Falkland Islanders by invading British territory, but brutally murdering thousands of their own citizens was a simple shrug of the shoulders.



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15 Apr 2012, 4:40 pm

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ruveyn never stated he supported it.


No, he didn't - but it sounds like the appalling actions of the Argentinian junta, not just towards the Falkland Islanders by invading British territory, but brutally murdering thousands of their own citizens was a simple shrug of the shoulders.


It happens during the american civil war americans went are kiling people the whole country was at war and it was the most bloodiest war we have ever had in our country if it was to happen again it will be the left vs the right a politcal war if you will.

War is a brutal thing it is human nature to start wars a lot of reasons people start them is for power or greed most of the time it is both.



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15 Apr 2012, 4:41 pm

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It happens during the american civil war americans went are kiling people the whole country was at war and it was the most bloodiest war we have ever had in our country if it was to happen again it will be the left vs the right a politcal war if you will.


But it wasn't a war - it was a despotic regime murdering their own people (and invading a territory belonging to another country). The 'war' was inside their own heads, not those of the people.



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15 Apr 2012, 4:43 pm

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It happens during the american civil war americans went are kiling people the whole country was at war and it was the most bloodiest war we have ever had in our country if it was to happen again it will be the left vs the right a politcal war if you will.


But it wasn't a war - it was a despotic regime murdering their own people (and invading other people's countries). The 'war' was inside their own heads, not those of the people.


The citizens where fighting back though it wasn't a war but he was a conflict China does this Russia does this it happens all the time in a left or rigth wing regime america has killed inncoent civilians to every country has.



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15 Apr 2012, 4:45 pm

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The citizens where fighting back though it wasn't a war but he was a conflict


So if the U.S. decided that because, oh, I don't know, several thousand residents of Dearborn in Michigan are terrorists and subverters of the state, that it's right to go there and massacre them?



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15 Apr 2012, 4:47 pm

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The citizens where fighting back though it wasn't a war but he was a conflict


So if the U.S. decided that because, oh, I don't know, several thousand residents of Dearborn in Michigan are terrorists and subverters of the state, that it's right to go there and massacre them?


I am not the one to answer this but I no that it would happen they would have over motives behing this as well if they where no terrorists at all the goverment would just cover it up I know that seems evil but that is how it would go down.



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15 Apr 2012, 4:47 pm

Tequila wrote:
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The citizens where fighting back though it wasn't a war but he was a conflict


So if the U.S. decided that because, oh, I don't know, several thousand residents of Dearborn in Michigan are terrorists and subverters of the state, that it's right to go there and massacre them?


You are referring to the Muslim sleeper cells in Michigan? If they are up to no good and it becomes knows then their blood will flow.

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15 Apr 2012, 4:49 pm

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You are referring to the Muslim sleeper cells in Michigan?


No, I'm referring to the idea that it's alright to murder thousands of innocent people in Michigan with the excuse (that might well be completely bogus) that they are terrorists/subverters of the state. As the Argentinian junta did when it executed/tortured/killed thousands of people, many completely innocent, on that same vague premise.

And indeed - if it's found out that these people are bad, there will be hell to pay I'm sure.



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15 Apr 2012, 4:52 pm

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You are referring to the Muslim sleeper cells in Michigan?


No, I'm referring to the idea that it's alright to murder thousands of innocent people in Michigan with the excuse (that might well be completely bogus) that they are terrorists/subverters of the state. As the Argentinian junta did when it executed/tortured/killed thousands of people, many completely innocent, on that same vague premise.

And indeed - if it's found out that these people are bad, there will be hell to pay I'm sure.


It is not a perfect world that we live in inncoents die every day even if the regime is doing the killing all you can hope for is to get assistance from another country for help.



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15 Apr 2012, 4:56 pm

How would you feel if your mother was kidnapped by the state and tortured on the - entirely bogus - premise that she was a terrorist? Even when you knew she was nothing of the sort, she was just a peaceable, normal being but someone disliked her so she ended up being brutalised?



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15 Apr 2012, 5:01 pm

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How would you feel if your mother was kidnapped by the state and tortured on the - entirely bogus - premise that she was a terrorist? Even when you knew she was nothing of the sort, she was just a peaceable, normal being but someone disliked her so she ended up being brutalised?


I would be angry many people have been tortured for being suspected of terrorism in the US many people who tortured and it turned out they where innocent.



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15 Apr 2012, 5:29 pm

Tequila wrote:
How would you feel if your mother was kidnapped by the state and tortured on the - entirely bogus - premise that she was a terrorist? Even when you knew she was nothing of the sort, she was just a peaceable, normal being but someone disliked her so she ended up being brutalised?


I meet quite a few South American expatiates who faced that fear in the days of Operation Condor, the only way of safety for them was to become political refugees and escape there home counties. They all share a dislike of the US.


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