Hermetic symbolism hidden in plain sight

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Money is the avenue of proprietary power.
Media is the avenue of power over the mind. (along side of childhood indoctrination ... err. i mean education)

Music is arguably the most powerful media for controlling the minds, and when that music is primarily aimed at the young, it is even more powerful.

Music "calms the savage beast" the reason for this is because it causes endorphins to be released, primarily one called oxytocin, often called the trust hormone, and is the same one released in vast quantities when a mother gives birth, to cement the bond between mother and child. When one starts to sing themselves, for example singing along with the singer on the TV, while they're captivated by the lights and motion and colour of the videos, even more oxytocin is released into the bloodstream.

Predictive programming can be used much better when a person's body is riddled with oxytocin.

[interesting side-note: I think many of us aspies have oxytocin producing issues... and that it has to do with our social and physical contact issues, so we may be less susceptible to these techniques]

The conspiracy to bring this all together is a conspiracy between people that may be called the Illuminati. Rather those we call the Illuminati are simply pawns to a bigger conspiracy, hapless, helpless pawns been dragged about and manipulated just as we are. They too are just trying to plan out their "battleplan" for dealing with the future that is coming their way.

The real conspirators are the living ideas, memes -- moreover memeplexes -- The New World Order, is indeed an idea, and that idea does exist. So long as the idea keeps being repeated and replicated, it survives, just like any other idea. But the more that idea spreads from person to person (the more people it infects) the more real the chance that that new world order will come to be.

That idea requires it's symbols, be them words of doctrine or symbols like the triangular eye. Just as the tenets of the memeplex need to be replicated, so too the more graphic symbols need to replicated. Just as many wild animals urinate around their territory, to mark their domain, we mark our domain, and our tools the same way. As humans are the pawns of ideas, it's inevitable that a bit of our animal nature rubs off on the tools of the ideas.

Where you see the symbols, you will see their greatest tools. Unless you support such ideas, be most leery of what is so marked.

So...?

Okay - its all really IS a conspiracy.

But its a conspiracy without conspirators.

The ideas themselves have an independent will, and these ideas are exerting their will upon people do their bidding?

The ideas will madison avenue or mtv into a cabal of the unwitting - who inturn manipulate the media - who inturn manipulate us- the unwitting being manipulated by the unwitting in the service of disembodied ideas.

Is that the ghist of what your saying?

Like evolution has no independent will, it still has a direction, and the evolutionary growth of the being does have direction, things "conspire" to happen.

It takes a bit to grasp the concept i know... but then again, how long has it taken mankind to understand that no one has to guide evolution for it to work.... (well, some still haven't) and this is the same thing... ideas evolve and the strongest ideas survive. These ideas we now play around with (or more accurately play around with us) have more power than you could ever imagine.

No, it makes a lot of sense.

Homosapien cromagnon man has a love affair with symbolism as well - its just embedded in our cerebral makeup. I'm curious to know which your arguing though - whether they survive due to usefulness in conveying a message or at least a subconscious 'feel' to the viewer of the show or advertising or whether its really there more from the standpoint of the advertisement or show producer and their own symbolic needs.

There's also the remote conspiracy possibility that some people who really want to see the system to fall (Peter Joseph types) try to paint a cabal all over it to make people envision Illuminati, Rothschild, Masons, Bridgebuilders, and darth-vader like old white men in suites somewhere who have the 666 chips all ready to go. In that case its just individuals - no organization - but just them being angsty, hip, and try to 'stick it to the man mannnn'.

Maybe, just maybe, it's all over the place because the designers thought it looked cool.

Occam's razor, folks.

This.

Not this. This is an opinion one might arrive at through assumption without doing enough research. It has meaning, and most often it is subtly referenced in places relevant to the certain symbol's meaning. Also, often enough the "symbol" is simply a numerological reference.

The ideas don't survive because of the usefulness to the person who holds the idea... though at one time that was in fact the case, but only because of two factors that have changed, 1) ideas were mostly only transferred vertically (ie, to your children) but now ideas travel horizontally, (ie to your peers) and 2) a combination of how we don't as a race need to "survive" any longer at least not in the sense of cromagnon man. and how dominant the ideas are in comparison to the people that hold them. Then -- they were ancillary to us, now we are ancillary to them.

Nor do ideas survive because they are "true" they survive ONLY because they are good at replicating. Just as cromagnon man did not survive because he was right in all his beliefs, he survived because he was better at producing offspring and keeping those offspring alive until they too could reproduce as well than all of the species that went by the wayside in his wake. Just as we out-reproduce/survive all the species we are causing to go extinct....

Ideas do the same, and operate by the same principles, if the idea reproduces itself, generally in tact (with evolution/mutation to adapt to changing environment) better than another idea, then it will eventually wipe out the other idea.
An idea's limiting resource is human brains, ergo ideas which expand human population are more likely to survive and reproduce.
Ideas that hold that you should keep your opinions to yourself die off, just as "the loner gene" (if there is one) would die off.
Ideas that require (or better yet put into place peer measures to force people to) spreading the idea (such as religion) are the best at surviving...
Ideas that the host (us) are wanting to hold will survive too, better than ones that we don't want to hold....

As for the idea of the conspiracy of people who want society to fall... NO, you're putting the cart before the horse... the idea is the crash of society, will that meme survive and win out? only if that idea can infect enough brains to inject enough symbolism and expose enough people to media consistent with it's tenets. An Illuminati will exist if and only if enough of the right people believe it to exist. This all works much the same way as the self-fulfilling nature of some prophecy. It's own existence as a pure esoteric idea/memeplex can in fact cause the real physical world to be changed so that what was only an idea actually comes to exist.

Think of an idea as a life form, just as we are life forms, and resist thinking that the conventional definition of life is a special type of life. it's just a replicator like any other replicator. Just as we use our resources to accomplish our goals, so do ideas use their resources. The most successful humans are the ones able to get the most bang for their buck out of each resource.. reusing and recycling. However we do have to consume and destroy many of our resources in their use... So too ideas CAN and DO destroy humans in their use of us. If they can use us, and keep us alive, then they are more successful, but so long as they can spread to at least two other people before they kill us, they will survive and prosper.

I will link to TV Tropes.

So.. the reason that some ideas are good at replicating is: that some ideas are good at replicating.

Gee.. THANKS for pointing THAT out!

Dont mean to be sarcastic, but frankly in your post I dont see where you have actually SAID anything.

your perspective is interesting.

i can see some flaws in your next post after this one, but i will have a bit of a think about it when i get the chance, before posting any further thoughts.

I think the better phrasing for his idea - since symbols have no life of their own - human thoughts and data see paths of evolution. There's a point to be made as well that sometimes it'll be the most accurate and best modeled thought that'll make it, sometimes the most demigogic will as well; guess it just depends on the circumstances right?

Overall though symbols might function a bit like libraries - maybe not the most accurate for storage but when a symbol can say a thousand words or add a thousand implications to be used if you're okay with them. Symbols also do well at resolving language corners where effibility tends to be a problem and you need some injunction of mood to accurately communicate. I have a tendency to try and do that on sheer words sometimes; I get mixed results though - some people can read it, lots find it impenetrable.

"since sybols have no life of their own" WRONG, that is not what i'm saying, i'm saying they DO have a life of their own.... and that's the whole point. They have a life, and they live to replicate, just as any "conventional life form" does. They have no more regard for their environment than other life forms do (until the point where caring for their environment has a positive benefit on their survival/reproduction) They too will decimate their environment/resources just as we and any other dominant species (either at a global or local level) have done throughout history. This will happen until they've used as many of their resources as possible, and then they will adapt (evolution) to the changes that they have directly and indirectly wrought.

The more accurate as well modeled ideas surviving? No, the most aggressive and the most demagogic will survive (in our world at least) This would perhaps be different if the idea's hosts were more intelligent as a whole, but since most people live by their emotions and not their brains/minds then we are stuck with this. And these self-same ideas know how to make use of our emotionally controlled existence, (that's kinda what demagogic means, i guess)

@naturalplastic -- I wasn't trying to explain what ideas will survive and which won't. I'm simply trying to point out that ideas don't give a darn about you, they use you for their own good.... just as you use all "the lower life forms" for your own good. You eat meat or plant-matter all the time, and when you run out, you either grow more or pay someone else to grow more. Well the ideas simply farm us for parallel purposes.

Will this idea i'm espousing survive? Well, in my honest opinion, likely not... because people don't like the idea or it's ramifications and corollaries. Thus it won't be good at being replicated, thus it will die. It's veracity or fallacy have nothing whatsoever to do with it's survival... Well, i shouldn't say nothing... in extreme cases an ugly truth will prevail over a pretty lie. The atheist is eventually beating down the christian soldier for example, but it has taken thousands of years.

No... symbols do NOT have a life of their own. Ink on paper is not alive. It is an object.

Strike 1: Take two of the same symbol, and put them in a room. Come back in a few weeks. You will still only have two symbols. They cannot reproduce

Strike 2: They have no measurable signs of life. They are not active, they have absolutely no life processes we can detect. Every life form, no matter how simple, is active in some way.

Symbols are not alive.

Your definition of life is too limiting and prevents you from seeing the larger picture.

each person that sees that symbol that you've put in a room, carries with them a mental picture of that symbol, which is replication number one, and because that person has the ability to copy that symbol and/or it's meaning again, there is a chance that the person will re-create it, apply the law of averages, and it will be replicated, perhaps with modification, which is what is required for evolution by natural selection to kick in.

Humans simply are the agent for the replication of that symbol/idea. They're a life form just as a virus within our blood is, you can view them as parasitic, or as symbiotic. My opinion is that some would fall into each category, most would be some mix of the two.

I think this stops having a 'mystical' ring to it when the suggestion is considered that we're really just discussing the natural dissemination of ideas and that there's no odd sense being taken away that anyone's implying that symbols have some kind of sneaky sentience or life. To say paperclips, staplers, cars, and ipads have multiplied because of the evolution of their idea and the mistake of implying the fanciful somewhat gets eaten up. To be even more apples-to-apples I could also suggest comas, periods, and apostrophes, company logos, human stereotypes, archetypes in stories; really history and utility rinsing and repeating just that 'symbols' will perhaps keep a more blatant superficial coherence.