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It would be interested to see what the Arabic passages were. Probably advocating peace and love and free chocolate cake for all, no doubt.

Hear, hear.
Its very choice that she can make a thread on St. David's day, implying that the Welsh have no morals and culture. Did she lock that, NO! Am half Welsh and was insulted by that!


Now how long is it to Canada Day? I know when it is, for the uncultured and xenophobic Canadians out there, Canada Day is four months after St. David's day, to the very same day!

Here's a brilliant idea, lets have an Eisteddfod in PPR on the 1st July.

What actually happens on Canada Day? Do they all sit on big tables, eating poutine (and they call this a national dish?! Shame on them) and drinking Labatt until they vomit over each other? No, seriously. I know they wave their flag and stuff but apart from that, I'm not sure.

Uncultured and xenophobic, coming from the likes of you, is extremely humorous



Poutine is a Quebec dish, and Labatt is a Quebec beer. There is little Canada Day celebrating in Quebec outside the West Island of Montreal, where there are plenty of large festivals with live music, fireworks, lots of alcohol, etc. We party harder here on St Jean le Baptiste (La Fete Nationale)

It is basically like any other national celebratory holiday.

Well, it used to be that about 50 thousand or so people would converge on Parliament Hill, and everyone would get really drunk, and there would be people climbing streetlamps and women riding about shirtless on people's shoulders and other stuff such as that. It was so packed and there were so many people, the police couldn't get in to do anything about all but the most serious situations. People used to make a lot of money by selling beer out of coolers at an exorbitant price.

Then they came up with this idea they called Family First Night (not the name of the holiday, but of the celebration in Ottawa) around the mid-90s if I recall correctly. Inspired by right wing "family values" nonsense that was all the rage at the time. They set up stuff well ahead of dark and got the place filled with families and other easy-to-manage celebrators so that when night came, the revellers found their space already occupied, and surrounded by cops who turned them away. So now I think there is some laser show on Parliament Hill that nobody watches, and people generally stay home or go to bars and get drunk (except recluses like me who pay no attention at all to the whole affair).

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Mostly prayers or general socially-pressured remarks. After they use a prophet's name, they sometimes feel obliged to use the words 'peace be upon him' in Arabic afterwards. Adds a good couple of words every time they issue the name of their religion's central figure, which I think happens several times in both videos. They also have an expanded version of the word Allah, and they seem to have started the second one with a prayer.

Edit: spelling.

A proper Canada day needs good beer, barbecue, bonfires, beautiful July weather, and a beach on a pleasant lake in the wilderness, for me at least. Fireworks too

Yeah that sounds pretty traditional, if you've got access to a cottage. We've got a cottage but I just never happen to be up there on Canada Day ... I think they do fireworks from an island though, or at least they did when I was a kid.

No cottage for me unfortunately, but there are a few camping-permitted provincial parks just over the border in Ontario that I try and be at for the occasion.

Actually, Cornflake will most likely lock the thread. He locked mine for no reason. It is not like I was spouting supremicist ideology

I can tell you why this thread is going to be locked, and it has nothing to do with the content of the OP

I think - if warnings are counted towards the total score - the score in my case is hyperlexian 2-3, Cornflake 2. And my threads weren't even that absurd, generally. They were just interpreted as racism, even though I offered sound theories of demographics and backed it them with academic research. I mean, the Scientology vs. Christianity thread is still going on, but a thread in which I explained how emergency food aid could be disastrous in the long term by basing rapid population growth on uncertain foreign food aid during the process of desertification was explained as racism, locked, and upon some questioning responded to by 'not going to argue about it'.

Regardless, this thread probably can't be viewed as racist, so I might have dodged one bullet there. We're dealing with Salafism and antidemocratic islamist supremacism here, not a group of people who happen not to share the colour of my skin (which makes me wonder - who's the racist?) leading themselves to disaster under the influence of foreign symptom-solving.

I have probably had 4 or 5 locked threads, I have never bitched about it, people need to harden up

In regards to that emergency food aid thing, I think you could probably have explained it better, as I don't think you were intending to come off in the manner many perceived. I have made the argument myself that pouring food aid on Africa is detrimental to their own food markets making it unprofitable for farmers to even bother with anything other than subsidence

Apart from the obvious reasons of these types of threads being locked for personal attacks, implications and other unsavoury things, I largely think the reason these threads aren't taken seriously is due to two other main factors.

One is the intellectualization of xenophobia (which I am going to leave alone).

The second reason which some of us could actually do something about is not just discussing ideology and immigration. Not to say they don't have their place, but when you focus exclusively on these two factors to the exclusion of all else, it comes across the wrong way. (as a muslim or immigrantion bash fest rather than an actual discussion with an aim and point)

If other things were included and considered at least somewhat in depth, like the state of these immigrants home countries and what lead to those situations to begin with, that would help greatly.

As would it help if people here considered that crime, gangs and other such things are very much intertwined with poverty. Nobody here has addressed the poverty issue, I certainly know when specific minority groups have managed to do well economically for themselves, or at least are self-sustainable, many of the issues relating to crime, gangs and unrest are no longer a problem.

If you guys branch out and start acknowledging the other contributing factors to this, it will be more of a discussion and less of a bash fest, and therefore the threads will be less likely to be locked.

Which is a shame, as this should be a serious issue. It's a shame that actual research into this subject is a taboo in the academic world. The situation won't change if you don't research it. It'll simply happen under your radar, or be a public secret that shouldn't be discussed but is implied several times a day in casual discussions - "your bicycle was stolen? Let me guess - a young man, Moroccan or Antillean?" That was considered racist and vile until it turned out over half of the people in those categories (Moroccan young men, 65% and Antillean young men, 55%) had actually been held by police, often for crimes more serious than theft.




The aim of this discussion is simply to discuss. Why are we paying for people who have clearly stated they want to destroy our society from the inside out? Why was Geert Wilders accused of hatemongering in court, but are these people protected by police and given the right to stand right next to a monument for freedom and war victims and say we should abolish democracy, become a theocracy and kill those who don't agree with it, with an explicit mention of the man accused of those crimes?



One of the fine gentlemen in the first video used to be a drug trafficker in Morocco, was sentenced to several years in jail in absentia there, but given a passport nonetheless. The man who killed Theo van Gogh was born here, worked at a community center until his adherence to Sharia law became a problem in his functioning (he refused to help women and wouldn't serve alcohol), started becoming even more fundamentalist and killed Theo van Gogh 'because he deserved capital punishment for insulting the prophet'. The man who speaks English in the first video is an international islamist preacher. These people aren't your average poor, misguided sheep.



However, it seems to be mostly a cultural thing. Chinese people, starting from the second generation, were almost identical to ethnic Dutch people in terms of income, education and crime statistics. Moroccans have now reached the fourth or fifth generation, and they're still the most problematic, most criminal and most conservative group in society. Meanwhile, they're often treated better than anyone else, which hasn't helped in the past fifty years.



If we close our eyes to facts, ignore statistics, use popular opinion from Australia and North America as a substitute and completely fail to acknowledge the absolute fact that there are causal links between cultures and ethnicities and their success in society, we're able to discuss it? That sounds like the attitude that has allowed the problem to spin violently out of control in the past fifty years.