How Should Liberals Vote in the 2012 U.S. Pres. Election?

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Jacoby
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18 Jun 2012, 10:54 am

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They of course should vote for Obama.

Romney would get to appoint two far righties to the SC. That would turn 5-4 decisions into 7-2. If you think progressives are losing hard now in the SC, just wait. You could argue about and pass progressive legislation for a generation and the court would be naturally inclined to tear it to shreds. Romney would be gone in a few years but he'd leave behind a corporatist utopia via the SC.


Obama is doing quite well on creating a corporatist utopia. Those 'liberal' judges he appointed were judges that believe in the dictatorial power of the presidency and strongly support all bush era curbs on civil liberties. Honestly, Obama is probably even worse than Bush when it comes to that regard as he is on most things.

'Conservative judges' at least in theory would slow the expansion of the power of government. Why would anybody want to give these tyrants anymore power? Do you want a Big Brother state?



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18 Jun 2012, 5:16 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Here is Robert Unger, who is President Obama's former professor, taking down Obama. Watch!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnf4k8EaL7M[/youtube]


He is taking down both parties, and rightly at that.

Plutocracy is not good for the United States.

By all means let people become rich if they can, but the rich should not run the country just because they are rich.

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18 Jun 2012, 6:18 pm

VIDEODROME wrote:
I wish Jill Stein's website would be more specific on her stances on issues. I think that part of the website is still under construction.

As for me I'm leaning to Gary Johnson, and yet in the past I've voted for Ralph Nader. So I'm still curious about the Greens.

I think part of the reason the sight is vague is because she's still campaigning for the Green candidacy--she'll almost certainly win, but it's not official yet. From what I've heard her saying she basically follows the Green Party's platform, although maybe a bit to the left of it (she spoke about nationalising failed bank, rather than bailing them out, for instance).

I'm rather unclear on why you'd be choosing between a Libertarian and a Green. On social issues they might be in agreement, but on just about everything else they are almost polar opposites.



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19 Jun 2012, 12:09 am

Jacoby wrote:
simon_says wrote:
They of course should vote for Obama.

Romney would get to appoint two far righties to the SC. That would turn 5-4 decisions into 7-2. If you think progressives are losing hard now in the SC, just wait. You could argue about and pass progressive legislation for a generation and the court would be naturally inclined to tear it to shreds. Romney would be gone in a few years but he'd leave behind a corporatist utopia via the SC.


Obama is doing quite well on creating a corporatist utopia. Those 'liberal' judges he appointed were judges that believe in the dictatorial power of the presidency and strongly support all bush era curbs on civil liberties. Honestly, Obama is probably even worse than Bush when it comes to that regard as he is on most things.

'Conservative judges' at least in theory would slow the expansion of the power of government. Why would anybody want to give these tyrants anymore power? Do you want a Big Brother state?


That makes no sense. Rather than try to comprehend what you could possibly be thinking or manufacturing as an argument I'll just repost my comment. You have far right politics so of course you think a court packed 7-2 for the far right would be good. The thread is about what liberals should do.

Anyway:

Romney would get to appoint two far righties to the SC. That would turn 5-4 decisions into 7-2. If you think progressives are losing hard now in the SC, just wait. You could argue about and pass progressive legislation for a generation and the court would be naturally inclined to tear it to shreds. Romney would be gone in a few years but he'd leave behind a corporatist utopia via the SC.



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19 Jun 2012, 11:14 am

Liberals should write one of their favorite pols. That might wake up the Democrats who currently look more and more like Republicans in drag.