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28 Jun 2012, 2:07 am

If we were flat time would be the third dimension.



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28 Jun 2012, 2:11 am

androbot2084 wrote:
Time does not exist because there is four spatial dimensions.


Time is one of them.



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28 Jun 2012, 2:13 am

What denomination of time are we talking about?

Physics: Time is what a clock measures. Or, time is what shares a continuum with space. Also,
time can be objective, or subjective, depending on what you had for supper last night.

Philosophical: Being is time. (Dogen)
Being is time, and time is being. (Heidegger)
Time is the swelling, the acculumation of potential events until the momentum
bursts into the actual. (Bergson)
I know just what time is, until I stop to think about time. (Augustine)

Literary: Omnia adfert aetas animum quoque. Time sweeps away all things, even the mind. (Virgil)

Hey, fella, what time you got?



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28 Jun 2012, 12:39 pm

greenheron wrote:
What denomination of time are we talking about?


I'm pretty sure that we are well rooted in physics.


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28 Jun 2012, 12:45 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
If we were flat time would be the third dimension.


I like this. We are 3D creatures travelling through the fourth spatial dimension, which we experience as time. But then surely we are 4D creatures?

I have heard the idea that if a 4D creature were to pass through the 3D universe they would appear small, then grow and change shape as they passed through and then dissapear gradually, maybe they would split into more than one thing during the transit.

We do that, as does all life. We start small, then grow, change shape. We see ourselves as individuals but maybe we are all just parts of the same 4D entity as it passes through the 3D universe.



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28 Jun 2012, 4:53 pm

Robdemanc wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
If we were flat time would be the third dimension.


I like this. We are 3D creatures travelling through the fourth spatial dimension, which we experience as time. But then surely we are 4D creatures?


Perhaps, from a 5D perspective, we would look like a worm or streak with a baby at one end, and an old person at the other.



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28 Jun 2012, 5:07 pm

you are what time is and it's the most real thing there is.



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29 Jun 2012, 5:08 am

edgewaters wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
If we were flat time would be the third dimension.


I like this. We are 3D creatures travelling through the fourth spatial dimension, which we experience as time. But then surely we are 4D creatures?


Perhaps, from a 5D perspective, we would look like a worm or streak with a baby at one end, and an old person at the other.


Yes that would make sense, and it would look creepy.



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29 Jun 2012, 10:51 am

Of course time exists. In about 15 minutes the librarian will tell me I must log off this computer. How's that for logic?



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19 Oct 2012, 10:58 am

First of all, I don't think there are 'plenty of people' who do believe time does not exist.

I do not understand how time could be possible for the following simple reasons:

- I identify time with motion and therefore with space. Space without time is motionless therefore can't exist on it's own and time without space can't exist because time is dependent on space (or matter, or energy. or whatever).

- I think time is dependent on the observer therefore is relative but I doubt it has something to do with the speed of light but more with our perception of space...or whatever;

- I believe space is infinite and is not expanding because it doesn't makes sense how time and space could evolve when we don't remember anything before we were born and when we die - hypothetically - the world (space and time) stops.

Anyway it is a little hard for me to explain but I found this article interesting (i don't know if it has a scientific basis but shares some of my common thoughts (except the free will chapter))

http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html


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19 Oct 2012, 12:19 pm

Time is change of state or position. It most certainly exists.

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19 Oct 2012, 12:38 pm

The reason why a feather and a rock thrown from the same place would travel two different paths is because time exists (and because gravity is a warp in time and space). The big bang actually happened the very moment time began; without time, nothing would exist at all.

Many modern day scientists believe that time and soace can be divided into small building blocks as well, just like matter can be divided into elementary particles.



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19 Oct 2012, 2:30 pm

is it merely describing material reactions in their relationship to one another, or does time, a non-matter, actually exist... Does force exist? It is not material, does it exist? Do numerical values exist? You see nature and the universe ONLY coded through numbers, but do numbers exist?


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19 Oct 2012, 3:52 pm

If time never existed we would be in suspended animation of course everything would cease to exist because the molecules would be suspended as well.


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19 Oct 2012, 3:53 pm

if we could experience eternity all at once there would be no change.



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19 Oct 2012, 4:13 pm

In order for an object to move from point A to point B it must first reach a point halfway between point A and point B.

In order for it to reach THAT point it must reach the point halfway between point A and this third point.

In order for it to reach THAT fourth point it must first reach a point halfway between point A and THAT fifth point. .. and so.. for every one of the set of infinite number of points between point A and point B.

Obviously an object cant occupy an infinite number of points in finite time. Thus all motion is impossible.

Since motion is impossible time itself is impossible!

So time doesnt exist!