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Does I Corinthians 6:9 condemn homosexuality?
Yes, enthusiastically 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Yes 25%  25%  [ 5 ]
Maybe 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Not really 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
No way! 15%  15%  [ 3 ]
Just show the results 30%  30%  [ 6 ]
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12 Jul 2012, 11:29 pm

Read Romans chapter 1.


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12 Jul 2012, 11:31 pm

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Paul look askance at the normal sex urge. He grudgingly concede marriage. "It is better to marry than to burn". Paul is a psycho-sexual basket case. He himself never married nor had children. If everyone were like Paul the human race would become extinct in under a hundred years.

Everyone should be like Paul.


Paul shouldn't have even been like Paul. The dude was allergic to normal human interaction.


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13 Jul 2012, 8:22 am

John_Browning wrote:
Read Romans chapter 1.


Romans 1 wrote:
God's anger is revealed from heaven against all the sin and evil of the people whose evil ways prevent the truth from being known. God punishes them, because what can be known about God is plain to them, for God himself made it plain. Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no excuse at all! They know God, but they do not give him the honor that belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts have become complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness. They say they are wise, but they are fools; instead of worshiping the immortal God, they worship images made to look like mortals or birds or animals or reptiles.
And so God has given those people over to do the filthy things their hearts desire, and they do shameful things with each other. They exchange the truth about God for a lie; they worship and serve what God has created instead of the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever! Amen.

Because they do this, God has given them over to shameful passions. Even the women pervert the natural use of their sex by unnatural acts. In the same way the men give up natural sexual relations with women and burn with passion for each other. Men do shameful things with each other, and as a result they bring upon themselves the punishment they deserve for their wrongdoing.

Because those people refuse to keep in mind the true knowledge about God, he has given them over to corrupted minds, so that they do the things that they should not do. They are filled with all kinds of wickedness, evil, greed, and vice; they are full of jealousy, murder, fighting, deceit, and malice. They gossip and speak evil of one another; they are hateful to God, insolent, proud, and boastful; they think of more ways to do evil; they disobey their parents; they have no conscience; they do not keep their promises, and they show no kindness or pity for others They know that God's law says that people who live in this way deserve death. Yet, not only do they continue to do these very things, but they even approve of others who do them.


Yep. Paul was most definitely a basket case.

Paul doesn't want the Corinthians to have access to prostitutes, but the whole Old Testament doesn't say anything against using prostitutes. Quite the opposite. What a fuddy-duddy.

According to Paul, God turned people into homosexuals if they worshipped images made to look like mortals or birds or animals or reptiles. I don't think that it quite worked that way.



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13 Jul 2012, 6:18 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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But it makes no sense why homosexuality in particular would be listed as a sin, when it causes no harm.


Neither does consensual fornication.


These "harmless" acts are capable of wrecking marriages.

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What is so harmful about homosexuality? How is it going to wreck a marriage if a homosexual person marries someone who is the same gender? I can only understand fornication causing harm if a person who is married does it with someone else. If two people who are not married to anyone have each others' consent, what is wrong with it?



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14 Jul 2012, 8:24 am

To me, it is quite telling that none of our Conservative-Christian brethren are participating in the present discussion.

They will quite casually cite I Corinthians 9-10 to justify harassing and intimidating homosexuals. They act like this is the most touching and inciteful verse that the Bible has to offer.

Then, when we actually sit down to parse out and discuss the verse that forms the very foundation of their faith and attitudes, they will blithely stay away.

Regarding his teachings about marriage and divorce, Jesus said

Matthew 19 wrote:
This teaching does not apply to everyone, but only to those to whom God has given it. For there are different reasons why men cannot marry: some, because they were born that way; others, because men made them that way; and others do not marry for the sake of the Kingdom of heaven. Let him who can accept this teaching do so.


Same-sex marriage was probably not discussed 2,000 years ago. When Jesus says that some men cannot marry (I am pretty sure that a woman is the implied direct object) "because they were born that way", it seems clear that he is talking about life-long homosexual men. And, men who had been "made them that way" by other men. Jesus is not condemning them--quite the opposite. Jesus is only condemning heterosexual divorce.

Furthermore, if Jesus' teachings do not apply to everyone, then they should not apply to non-Christians. Even Paul didn't state that he wanted all Corinthians to stop enjoying all forms of coitus (including masturbation, for the Catholics and Lutherans)--only the Corinthian Christians. Some Christians are way-out-of-line in forcing their attitudes upon others.



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14 Jul 2012, 8:58 am

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Some Christians are way-out-of-line in forcing their attitudes upon others.


But the ones who force their attitudes upon others see it as a way of attempting to convert people. They are required to convert nonbelievers and warn them about Hell and tell them how they can be saved.



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14 Jul 2012, 9:24 am

Alfonso12345 wrote:
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Some Christians are way-out-of-line in forcing their attitudes upon others.


But the ones who force their attitudes upon others see it as a way of attempting to convert people. They are required to convert nonbelievers and warn them about Hell and tell them how they can be saved.


If they want to convert people, then they shouldn't be afraid to argue their points on specific Bible verses.



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14 Jul 2012, 11:43 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
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Some Christians are way-out-of-line in forcing their attitudes upon others.


But the ones who force their attitudes upon others see it as a way of attempting to convert people. They are required to convert nonbelievers and warn them about Hell and tell them how they can be saved.


If they want to convert people, then they shouldn't be afraid to argue their points on specific Bible verses.

Normally yes. However personally I find this thread particularly idiotic, and more about mocking Christianity than discussing it, so I'm not going to get sucked in. :wink:


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14 Jul 2012, 2:48 pm

John_Browning wrote:
Normally yes. However personally I find this thread particularly idiotic, and more about mocking Christianity than discussing it, so I'm not going to get sucked in. :wink:


"Idiotic?" How so? We've taken a rather thorough look at the verse. There is no "mocking" involved. All that is lacking is fully-detailed Conservative-Christian input.

Do Christians not want to discuss specific Bible verses when they think that their cherished beliefs might be shattered? Are Conservative Christians really that insecure?



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14 Jul 2012, 6:47 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
Normally yes. However personally I find this thread particularly idiotic, and more about mocking Christianity than discussing it, so I'm not going to get sucked in. :wink:


"Idiotic?" How so? We've taken a rather thorough look at the verse. There is no "mocking" involved. All that is lacking is fully-detailed Conservative-Christian input.

Do Christians not want to discuss specific Bible verses when they think that their cherished beliefs might be shattered? Are Conservative Christians really that insecure?


I'm not really mocking the religion, just stating my objections to it. It's very easy to object to a religion when the deity is a hypocrite who says "Do as I say, not as I do, or else..."