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Who won the War of 1812?
Canada/Britain 30%  30%  [ 6 ]
U.S.A.! U.S.A.! 30%  30%  [ 6 ]
Other country 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
It was a tie! 25%  25%  [ 5 ]
Just show the results 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 20

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23 Jul 2012, 2:02 pm

enrico_dandolo wrote:
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But, why are you Canadians so ungrateful to us Americans for trying to free you from Britain?

I just dont get it.

We need not to be "freed" from anyone, thank you very much.

You know, it is exactly that kind of superior attitude which make American tourists so disliked.


np is making satire mon ami


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23 Jul 2012, 2:03 pm

Oh. Sorry, then. :oops:



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23 Jul 2012, 2:26 pm

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We're on our 200th anniversary of the War of 1812, which I think that Canadians have come to view as their major epic war, replete with patriotic mythology, whereas in the USA, well....

in Chicago, they used to perform Tschaikovsky's 1812 Overture at our Independence Day (4 July) fireworks display. A former girlfriend of mine commented that she thought that the 1812 Overture was patriotic, and had something to do with the War of 1812... :roll:

I took Advanced Placement U.S. History in high school, back when the Vietnam War was going on. Even in my Advanced Placement class, we weren't really taught history objectively. Rather, the USA was presented as the greatest country ever, that always won its wars, and that could do no wrong. The War of 1812 was presented as just another magnificent victory for the United States, with the great hero Andrew Jackson smashing the British at the Battle of New Orleans.

My history class never mentioned the Napoleonic Wars that were raging at the time, and quite possibly my history teacher was unfamiliar with those events.

So, who really won?



America has a really hard time accepting that its ever lost a war, even though i was born in the US my family immigated here from French Canada, i would like dual citizenship with US and Canada, but America greatly lost the War of 1812

Here i present Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie War of 1812 [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7jlFZhprU4[/youtube]


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24 Jul 2012, 12:05 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
"Status Quo Ante"(the way it was before) is the term you're looking for.

But, why are you Canadians so ungrateful to us Americans for trying to free you from Britain?

I just dont get it.


status quo ante (you don't capitalize in Latin) is a general term of restoration of legal rights before a determined event. On the other hand, antebellum is specific to, "before the war."

Why are we ungrateful? Because we did not ask for your interference. And history has amply demonstrated that we are better off for having held you at bay.


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24 Jul 2012, 12:11 pm

visagrunt wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
"Status Quo Ante"(the way it was before) is the term you're looking for.

But, why are you Canadians so ungrateful to us Americans for trying to free you from Britain?

I just dont get it.


status quo ante (you don't capitalize in Latin) is a general term of restoration of legal rights before a determined event. On the other hand, antebellum is specific to, "before the war."

Why are we ungrateful? Because we did not ask for your interference. And history has amply demonstrated that we are better off for having held you at bay.
Even though you didn't ask for it does not mean you didn't want it :wink: Look at many other wars america is/has been in. America just wants to be helpful!


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24 Jul 2012, 12:18 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbQ7WkNw0ig[/youtube]


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24 Jul 2012, 1:15 pm

The communication lag was a real problem. If it weren't for that, the war might not have happened at all since the British repealed the law allowing for the impressing of American merchants.

But I don't think anyone really won. We sacked York. The Brits sacked Washington.



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24 Jul 2012, 1:20 pm

And what's the deal with the "Other country" option? Who else could have won, Japan?



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24 Jul 2012, 1:22 pm

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And what's the deal with the "Other country" option? Who else could have won, Japan?


Maybe Tecumseh's Confederacy or the other Amerindian nations. Usually they don't get referred to much, but they were also involved as co-belligerents on both sides


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24 Jul 2012, 1:33 pm

The Canadians won the war of 1812 of course most speculate neither side won nor lost as well but the US was anable to annex Canada.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzdcIiHd_BY[/youtube] probably why the US lost if it was the case hehe. Mmmmm Maple syrip.


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24 Jul 2012, 2:26 pm

Delphiki wrote:
Even though you didn't ask for it does not mean you didn't want it :wink: Look at many other wars america is/has been in. America just wants to be helpful!

I do hope I once again missed satire. Just in case, I will mention that many proto-Canadians were loyalist immigrants who had just escaped the United States during the Revolution and that the very Catholic Canadiens, whose clergy and élite was protected by the British, certainly did not intend to join a secular and Protestant country.



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24 Jul 2012, 2:30 pm

Perhaps a better strategy would have been for the USA to align itself with Napoleon. Possibly inspire the French Canadians to join the war against the British.



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24 Jul 2012, 2:44 pm

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Perhaps a better strategy would have been for the USA to align itself with Napoleon. Possibly inspire the French Canadians to join the war against the British.


I don't think the French Canadians would have gone for that. They were living in a semi-feudal system with immense church authority and this was actually what they wanted, since the British restored this to them. If the average Canadien was unaware or uninterested of the Revolution, his Seigneur, priest or Bishop would likely be dead set against it, since in Quebec they were in essence trying to maintain a microcosm of le ancien regime


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24 Jul 2012, 3:52 pm

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The communication lag was a real problem. If it weren't for that, the war might not have happened at all since the British repealed the law allowing for the impressing of American merchants.

But I don't think anyone really won. We sacked York. The Brits sacked Washington.


we have worse weapons, but we have faster communications than we did then atleast.

Yes it was about an even swap in pillage.
The video is a cute song. But whats this stuff about "we"( Canadians) burned the Whitehouse?

The British Army, manned by Brits from Britain, burned the Whitehouse.
I doubt there was a Canadian among that force of redcoats!



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24 Jul 2012, 4:40 pm

Really don't know how it's anything but a draw. Britain was able to repel an American invasions of Canada and America was able to repel British invasions America. The reasons for fighting just kinda became a moot point with the end of the Napoleonic Wars and the collapse of Tecumseh's Confederacy.