Is the Reunification Church (i.e., the Moonies) respectable?

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The Reunification Church is:

The One True Religion	0%	[ 0 ]
A respectable Christian denomination	6%	[ 1 ]
A non-respectable Christian denomination	6%	[ 1 ]
A Heresy	6%	[ 1 ]
A Dangerous Cult	53%	[ 9 ]
A Benign Cult	6%	[ 1 ]
Other (please elaborate)	6%	[ 1 ]
Just display the results	18%	[ 3 ]

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30 Jul 2012, 6:22 pm

The Unification Church has long been its own worst enemy. This document claims to be a transcript of a meeting in heaven in which Jesus, Marx, and other historical figures pledged their loyalty to Moon:

[url=http://]http://www.unification.org/ucbooks/godhuman.html[/url]

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30 Jul 2012, 7:31 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

It does seem that the Moonies are no longer recruiting much. Certainly not like the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. Plus, they don't seem to be promoting a strategy of outbreeding everyone else, like the Mormons and Catholics.

Are you sure about that? Moon himself has at least 14 children, and too many grandchildren and great-grandchildren to even count. Everything I've read about him leads me to believe that that he wants his followers to outbreed everyone else. As for them no longer recruiting. I think that has more to do with the fact that there recruiting goals were all epic FAILs.

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Members are still paying their tithes, and the church certainly isn't losing any money on the mass weddings.

The organization right now seems much more interested in business and politics than in religion.

The member tithes are probably quite small right now compared to the business profits, but still represent a sizeable source of income that competing businesses don't enjoy.

When all else fails, they go for the money.

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30 Jul 2012, 8:01 pm

Max000 wrote:

:scratch: Are you sure about that? Moon himself has at least 14 children, and too many grandchildren and great-grandchildren to even count. Everything I've read about him leads me to believe that that he wants his followers to outbreed everyone else. As for them no longer recruiting. I think that has more to do with the fact that there recruiting goals were all epic FAILs.

I'm not sure about anything. From the video-documentary above about the mass wedding, no-one seemed to be coming from a large Moonie family--they all appeared to be only-children.

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When all else fails, they go for the money.

Religions are businesses. That is the ultimate goal of any religion.

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30 Jul 2012, 8:32 pm

nominalist wrote:

The Unificationists no longer do the mass weddings. However, they still defend neoconservative causes and call them "heart centered."

Are they at all associated with the political far right nationally? Or are they shied away from?

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30 Jul 2012, 8:54 pm

They are very much associated with America's right wing

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon.html

The Unification Church has provided a lot of money to right-wing causes, including Jerry Falwell.

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30 Jul 2012, 9:24 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Are they at all associated with the political far right nationally? Or are they shied away from?

Bill,

Sun Myung Moon was in a North Korean prisoner camp and was, allegedly tortured. When he developed his "Divine Principle" (his theological system), he focused on the Can-Abel duality. He associated Western republics with Abel and communism with Cain.

In the U.S., he quickly accepted most of the premises of leading neoconservatives. Many of them, while disagreeing with him theologically, have supported him politically.

Back in the 1980s, Moon ran an anti-communist organization called CAUSA. I actually attended (infiltrated, in a sense) several of their meetings, since I had a friend in Moon's movement.

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30 Jul 2012, 10:07 pm

nominalist wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Are they at all associated with the political far right nationally? Or are they shied away from?

Interesting - did they ever catch you?

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31 Jul 2012, 12:36 am

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Interesting - did they ever catch you?

Bill:

They knew I disagreed with them. However, I spent years going to Unification Church meetings, mostly in New York City and on Long Island, and debating with church leaders. I am a sociologist of religion, and the the Unification Church is one of many groups I have studied.

These folks had a love-hate relationship with me. They despised my views. However, I did help them win a law suit against people who were trying to evict them from a property they owned in upstate New York. (I testified before the country zoning commission that they were not "dangerous.")

Some of the people I knew in the UC have since left the church or become inactive.

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31 Jul 2012, 2:03 am

nominalist wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Interesting - did they ever catch you?

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23 Feb 2013, 9:10 pm

Well, since we last left off, Mr. Moon has died. Recently, they had another mass Moonie wedding in South Korea.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-paci ... 64941.html

A lot of those Moonie chicks are pretty cute.

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23 Feb 2013, 9:44 pm

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Good Night Moon.

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19 Dec 2013, 1:14 am

I've only had one indirect contact with the Unification church, and it almost ended in tragedy. That indirect contact was a friend of mine who was being proselytized by members of the unification church. This guy continually kept telling these people to fsck off and leave him alone. Well, one day, while in the campus dining hall, this guy got up to get seconds on a salad. One of the moonies came over and put a mind altering substance in his drink. This guy comes back to his seat,starts eating, then takes a drink of his beverage. Next thing you know, he starts hallucinating, and ends up in the locked ward at the local hospital. I didn't see him on campus again for about 2 years. That his how badly the psychoactive drugs screwed this guy up. I haven't seen him in years, so I don't know if he has any lingering after effects from that little stunt the moonies pulled on him.

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19 Dec 2013, 1:20 am

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Were the moonies in question ever charged with the crime?

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19 Dec 2013, 1:53 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Meistersinger wrote:

Were the moonies in question ever charged with the crime?

I'm not sure. I heard they were caught, but I don't know if they were able to get the charges to stick.

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19 Dec 2013, 2:58 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Any religion that can get a huge crowd composed of newly introduced couples to get married en mass has to have a great deal of mind control over the membership.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Any religion that can get a huge crowd composed of young and old to refute almost irrefutable facts regarding the natural world en masse, has to have a great deal of mind control over the membership.

I.E it is not just the moonies who are subversive most religions have major faults when it comes to the betterment of society.

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19 Dec 2013, 3:02 am

DentArthurDent wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Any religion that can get a huge crowd composed of newly introduced couples to get married en mass has to have a great deal of mind control over the membership.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

That might very well be true.

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