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11 Aug 2012, 1:58 am

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I am pretty sure someone will call this misogyny/misogynist, IT IS NOT!

did you notice that people gave it a fair shot and didn't do any namecalling like you suggested? even giving the site a fair shot results in widespread disappointment, apparently.

are there ANY legitimate and factually accurate men's rights blogs? i would be interested in reading one that didn't make up data or use emotional rhetoric to inflame readers.


Actually on a Facebook group where i all so post the link someone was calling it misogynist.

this isn't Facebook. in general WPers are different - they have a strong interest in viewing things with a fair minded and critical eye... therefore they may actually be harsher than people on other websites because they are willing to do the legwork to expose strawmen, misinformation, and flimsy arguments of all sorts instead of just slapping on labels. i've had very good intellectual dialogues here as compared to other sites.

(and nick007, i think you are onto something there!)


No i guess i was just preventing someone from doing it before i would think to suggest it.

your post wouldn't have prevented it, because most people here are not like that to start with.

why do you think people would find the site misogynistic?


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11 Aug 2012, 2:12 am

hyperlexian wrote:
ImjustRandom wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
ImjustRandom wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
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I am pretty sure someone will call this misogyny/misogynist, IT IS NOT!

did you notice that people gave it a fair shot and didn't do any namecalling like you suggested? even giving the site a fair shot results in widespread disappointment, apparently.

are there ANY legitimate and factually accurate men's rights blogs? i would be interested in reading one that didn't make up data or use emotional rhetoric to inflame readers.


Actually on a Facebook group where i all so post the link someone was calling it misogynist.

this isn't Facebook. in general WPers are different - they have a strong interest in viewing things with a fair minded and critical eye... therefore they may actually be harsher than people on other websites because they are willing to do the legwork to expose strawmen, misinformation, and flimsy arguments of all sorts instead of just slapping on labels. i've had very good intellectual dialogues here as compared to other sites.

(and nick007, i think you are onto something there!)


No i guess i was just preventing someone from doing it before i would think to suggest it.

your post wouldn't have prevented it, because most people here are not like that to start with.

why do you think people would find the site misogynistic?


Somene did and had some friends backing it up.

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11 Aug 2012, 2:24 am

it's the same argument people use against feminists (that they are misandric). usually it isn't accurate.


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11 Aug 2012, 3:54 am

Yes I think men's rights is a good idea, I think all men around the world should be free to wear short skirts and fishnet stockings without threat of rape too.



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11 Aug 2012, 4:05 am

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... free to wear short skirts and fishnet stockings... .


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11 Aug 2012, 4:45 am

Great avatar, Dillogic!

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11 Aug 2012, 4:49 am

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it's the same argument people use against feminists (that they are misandric). usually it isn't accurate.


radfem hub would be something to look at then some of the users on there work at Universities



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11 Aug 2012, 11:26 am

ImjustRandom wrote:
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it's the same argument people use against feminists (that they are misandric). usually it isn't accurate.


radfem hub would be something to look at then some of the users on there work at Universities

look at them why? do they have something to say that i should read? or are you saying they are misandric?


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11 Aug 2012, 11:57 am

ImjustRandom wrote:
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it's the same argument people use against feminists (that they are misandric). usually it isn't accurate.


radfem hub would be something to look at then some of the users on there work at Universities


Radfem hub are crazy. Radical feminism in the USA is not representative of it worldwide (nor is radfem hub representative of all US radical feminists). The British radical feminist, Julie Bindel, criticised them strongly.


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11 Aug 2012, 12:05 pm

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it's the same argument people use against feminists (that they are misandric). usually it isn't accurate.


The biggest feminist organization in Norway (Kvinnegruppa Ottar) is extremely hostile to both men and attractive women. They've been known to vandalize private sex shops, protest against the establishment of Hooters restaurants here in Norway, they generalize all men "as the same", compare pornography and strip clubs to forced prostitution, they ignore discrimination against men, they attack straw men, they never attack the core of a problem, they frequently mock REAL feminists and they frequently take stuff way out of context.

They never speak out against the forced use of the burqua in immigrants, honor killings or anything like that; they merely broadcast their bitter resentment for more attractive women and sexual dimorphism. I don't think it's a coincidence that I've never seen an attractive member of their organization.



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11 Aug 2012, 12:07 pm

Kurgan wrote:
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it's the same argument people use against feminists (that they are misandric). usually it isn't accurate.


The biggest feminist organization in Norway (Kvinnegruppa Ottar) is extremely hostile to both men and attractive women. They've been known to vandalize private sex shops, protest against the establishment of Hooters restaurants here in Norway, they generalize all men "as the same", compare pornography and strip clubs to forced prostitution, they ignore discrimination against men, they attack straw men, they never attack the core of a problem, they frequently mock REAL feminists and they frequently take stuff way out of context.

They never speak out against the forced use of the burqua in immigrants, honor killings or anything like that; they merely broadcast their bitter resentment for more attractive women and sexual dimorphism. I don't think it's a coincidence that I've never seen an attractive member of their organization.


Your criticism holds up until you imply that they're all ugly. Your personal opinion on their looks doesn't matter.


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11 Aug 2012, 12:13 pm

Kurgan wrote:

The biggest feminist organization in Norway (Kvinnegruppa Ottar) is extremely hostile to both men and attractive women. They've been known to vandalize private sex shops, protest against the establishment of Hooters restaurants here in Norway, they generalize all men "as the same", compare pornography and strip clubs to forced prostitution, they ignore discrimination against men, they attack straw men, they never attack the core of a problem, they frequently mock REAL feminists and they frequently take stuff way out of context.

They never speak out against the forced use of the burqua in immigrants, honor killings or anything like that; they merely broadcast their bitter resentment for more attractive women and sexual dimorphism. I don't think it's a coincidence that I've never seen an attractive member of their organization.


It sounds like I disagree with a lot of what they do and think they don't do things that they should.

I don't know how bad things are over in Norway but for some it could be backlash against being treated wrong and could die down as things get better. I used to hate men a lot more but the longer I've been away from them the more it died out and online everyone is the same to me.

To me being a feminist just means I want equality and not be expected to look and act a certain way solely based on which genitals I have.



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11 Aug 2012, 12:17 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
it's the same argument people use against feminists (that they are misandric). usually it isn't accurate.


The biggest feminist organization in Norway (Kvinnegruppa Ottar) is extremely hostile to both men and attractive women. They've been known to vandalize private sex shops, protest against the establishment of Hooters restaurants here in Norway, they generalize all men "as the same", compare pornography and strip clubs to forced prostitution, they ignore discrimination against men, they attack straw men, they never attack the core of a problem, they frequently mock REAL feminists and they frequently take stuff way out of context.

They never speak out against the forced use of the burqua in immigrants, honor killings or anything like that; they merely broadcast their bitter resentment for more attractive women and sexual dimorphism. I don't think it's a coincidence that I've never seen an attractive member of their organization.


Your criticism holds up until you imply that they're all ugly. Your personal opinion on their looks doesn't matter.


If they looked like a young Halle Berry, they wouldn't be radical misandrists. They do women's rights more harm than good—they're basically saying that women are free to live out their dreams as long as they resent more attractive women, stop caring about appearance, put family life aside for a degree in something useless and see men as inferior.



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11 Aug 2012, 12:19 pm

hanyo wrote:
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The biggest feminist organization in Norway (Kvinnegruppa Ottar) is extremely hostile to both men and attractive women. They've been known to vandalize private sex shops, protest against the establishment of Hooters restaurants here in Norway, they generalize all men "as the same", compare pornography and strip clubs to forced prostitution, they ignore discrimination against men, they attack straw men, they never attack the core of a problem, they frequently mock REAL feminists and they frequently take stuff way out of context.

They never speak out against the forced use of the burqua in immigrants, honor killings or anything like that; they merely broadcast their bitter resentment for more attractive women and sexual dimorphism. I don't think it's a coincidence that I've never seen an attractive member of their organization.


It sounds like I disagree with a lot of what they do and think they don't do things that they should.

I don't know how bad things are over in Norway but for some it could be backlash against being treated wrong and could die down as things get better. I used to hate men a lot more but the longer I've been away from them the more it died out and online everyone is the same to me.

To me being a feminist just means I want equality and not be expected to look and act a certain way solely based on which genitals I have.


I never said all feminists are the same (as feminism originally was about equality and not elitism), but radical left-wing feminist organizations tend to merely fuel their cause with envy and hate.



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11 Aug 2012, 12:20 pm

Kurgan wrote:
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Kurgan wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
it's the same argument people use against feminists (that they are misandric). usually it isn't accurate.


The biggest feminist organization in Norway (Kvinnegruppa Ottar) is extremely hostile to both men and attractive women. They've been known to vandalize private sex shops, protest against the establishment of Hooters restaurants here in Norway, they generalize all men "as the same", compare pornography and strip clubs to forced prostitution, they ignore discrimination against men, they attack straw men, they never attack the core of a problem, they frequently mock REAL feminists and they frequently take stuff way out of context.

They never speak out against the forced use of the burqua in immigrants, honor killings or anything like that; they merely broadcast their bitter resentment for more attractive women and sexual dimorphism. I don't think it's a coincidence that I've never seen an attractive member of their organization.


Your criticism holds up until you imply that they're all ugly. Your personal opinion on their looks doesn't matter.


If they looked like a young Halle Berry, they wouldn't be radical misandrists.


I'm sure some of them look similar to celebrities that you personally find attractive, when said celebrities are not airbrushed and aren't wearing make-up or uncomfortable clothes.

I know a lot of 'attractive' women who don't like men. A lot of strippers don't, actually.


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11 Aug 2012, 12:23 pm

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