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24 Aug 2012, 7:46 am

Smoking is a self-destructive activity, which wouldn't exactly be emblematic of a high degree of intelligence.

Smokers also take pleasure in being stinky.



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24 Aug 2012, 8:03 am

Jitro wrote:
Look at all the hatred that smokers get. Does the meaning that smoking is not a choice?

Well, it's kind of similar to the question "Why would anyone ever choose to be gay?".

Feel free to smoke at your own home.

It is legal to be gay. It is illegal almost everywhere to have gay (or heterosexual sex) in public places. So, there. You are still comparing a minority group which practices a kind of sex with a bunch of idiots who practice self destructive behavior that harms other people and sort of stinks. So...


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24 Aug 2012, 8:27 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
Smoking is a self-destructive activity, which wouldn't exactly be emblematic of a high degree of intelligence.

Smokers also take pleasure in being stinky.


I and my 140 IQ smoked for 14 years. I finally kicked the habit back in 1968 and I have not had another cigarette since.

Smoking is a pleasure (at first). Later it becomes a burden and a danger.

It is also addictive.

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24 Aug 2012, 10:39 am

ruveyn wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Smoking is a self-destructive activity, which wouldn't exactly be emblematic of a high degree of intelligence.

Smokers also take pleasure in being stinky.


I and my 140 IQ smoked for 14 years. I finally kicked the habit back in 1968 and I have not had another cigarette since.

Smoking is a pleasure (at first). Later it becomes a burden and a danger.

It is also addictive.

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Kicking the habit would be emblematic of intelligence.

:hail:

Of course, back in the 1950s and 1960s, even medical doctors smoked. Seeing so many people with lung cancer and other diseases, it seems that they should have had some awareness.



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24 Aug 2012, 11:04 am

I quit smoking twice for about a week. The first time my father law died of a massive heart attack four days later The second time my father was killed in an automobile accident five days later. I then decided that quitting was dangerous.



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24 Aug 2012, 11:43 am

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Seeing so many people with lung cancer and other diseases, it seems that they should have had some awareness.


Dude, I should ignore you after that racist crap you write about "lack of intelligence" (99% of professors I know smokes, and you insulted all of them), but I have to bring here some scientific truth:

inhaling smoke CAN cause cancer - that's true - but:
- any smoke, not only tobbaco smoke
- not only smoke, but most of air pollutants
- from may years less and less people smokes - and we have more and more problems with cancer, including lung cancer.

Guess why?

Because our environment, our food, water, air is more and more polluted!

Tobacco is scapegoat of modern world - it's easy to kick smokers in media, easy to rise taxes or - like Ausies - kick tobacco companies (and support mafia business) - but have you ever heard what air pollution, pesticides and food additives do to YOUR health?
Have you ever tried to gather any data about this?


My friend - professor of toxicology - smokes about 2.5-3packs a day. I asked him one day, is he afraid of cancer?.
He answered: "if only people know how many carcinogens they inhale and eat every day - no one would care about smoking - and we will have riots against big food companies"

Do we have this riots?

Nope...

and why? cause people will swallow all crap media gives them - and practically no one is interested in truth :roll:


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24 Aug 2012, 11:46 am

Kurgan wrote:
Smoking your first cigarettes is a choice—addiction is not.


Quitting is also a choice, but not an easy one to stick with.

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

It is better to never have smoked at all.

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24 Aug 2012, 1:42 pm

The title of the thread is absurd.

How many smokers did NOT "choose" to smoke?

Do tobacco execs tie people up and put guns to their heads and force them to smoke?



24 Aug 2012, 1:54 pm

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Smoking is rarely a choice - addiction in any form isn't a choice, regardless of what led you to the addiction you cannot appreciate the meaning of addiction until you're trapped, and by its very nature addiction removes any choice you had...

You may choose to TRY a cigarette for whatever reason, and that's all it takes to get hooked - once you're addicted (nicotine is highly addictive, but mental addiction is more ingrained than chemical addiction when it comes to smoking) then you loose your choice. Smoking removes your will to replace it with an addiction that overrides all common sense and makes a million excuses or rational reasons why you 'choose' to smoke.



Actually, initially it IS a choice to start smoking. But when you try it voluntarily, and then you find you like it, you do it for a while, and then yer hooked.

I struggled for the last 2 years with an addiction to clove cigarettes and finally was able to quit 2 months ago. I tell ya, I will NEVER smoke another cig in my entire life. Cloves are a wonderful experience. The smell and taste great and will give you a buzz that would require smoking 4 regular cigarettes in a chain to get. But it's not worth it. Smoking cloves contributed to me getting a nasty sinus infection.



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24 Aug 2012, 2:35 pm

ruveyn wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Smoking is a self-destructive activity, which wouldn't exactly be emblematic of a high degree of intelligence.

Smokers also take pleasure in being stinky.


As an undergraduate I smoked--about a pack a week.

Nicotine is a stimulant, and has similar appeal to many other drugs, with the added benefit of being legal (and not particularly socially stigmatized back in the Bronze Age when I was student). It also has the particular advantage of giving your hands something to do while you are waiting to summon up the courage to talk to that cute guy on the other side of the bar who is just as nervously fiddling with his own cigarette. (When I was a young, gay man, there was a lot of sublimating going on....)

Fortunately, my habit was minor and easily put aside.


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24 Aug 2012, 2:44 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Jitro wrote:
Look at all the hatred that smokers get. Does the meaning that smoking is not a choice?

Well, it's kind of similar to the question "Why would anyone ever choose to be gay?".

Feel free to smoke at your own home.

It is legal to be gay. It is illegal almost everywhere to have gay (or heterosexual sex) in public places. So, there. You are still comparing a minority group which practices a kind of sex with a bunch of idiots who practice self destructive behavior that harms other people and sort of stinks. So...
Look at this self-destructive idiot. How can he possibly be smart enough to come up with groundbreaking scientific theories if he's not even smart enough to lay off the nicotine?
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Funny you complain about how much cigarettes stink when you always seem to have your nose up your own ass.



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24 Aug 2012, 4:03 pm

Good news everyone Since Einstein Smoked . Smoking is no longer considered self-destructive behavior!

... also, you are free to abandon your wife and children so you can marry your first cousin!

Something that Albert Einstein would never do though is believe that [Einstein smoked] is better of an argument than [Hitler was a vegetarian].


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24 Aug 2012, 4:30 pm

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Good news everyone Since Einstein Smoked . Smoking is no longer considered self-destructive behavior!

... also, you are free to abandon your wife and children so you can marry your first cousin!

Something that Albert Einstein would never do though is believe that [Einstein smoked] is better of an argument than [Hitler was a vegetarian].


You should move to Britain and then you can import multiple first cousins as your wives and claim benefits for all of them.

PS, not joking...



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24 Aug 2012, 4:33 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Good news everyone Since Einstein Smoked . Smoking is no longer considered self-destructive behavior!

... also, you are free to abandon your wife and children so you can marry your first cousin!

Something that Albert Einstein would never do though is believe that [Einstein smoked] is better of an argument than [Hitler was a vegetarian].



it is obviously a bubble pipe.


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24 Aug 2012, 4:58 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Smoking your first cigarettes is a choice—addiction is not.


Quitting is also a choice, but not an easy one to stick with.

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

It is better to never have smoked at all.

ruveyn


Just think: if you hadn't quit, then you probably wouldn't be typing away at your computer right now.



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24 Aug 2012, 5:02 pm

I admit I initially thought it looked awesome, and first time I actually did smoke I enjoyed it...so that did not exactly discourage me from smoking more to get that experience again.


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