Is Rising Illegitimacy Necessarily a Problem?

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I don't think we really care much about honor anymore. Sure, it's more honorable, but that's beside the point. But it ceases to be a problem as long as one sticks to a single lifelong partner and is dedicated to the well being of one's own progeny. There are always exceptions and thus always the need for welfare. But that doesn't mean that people should WANT to be a burden on the system. Our system actually ENCOURAGES bad behavior, and that's where I find it to be offensive and destructive.

Middle-income men are discouraged.

Capitalism needs a pool of the unemployed.

Communist Manifesto

Well, OK, we start with middle-income men. That should be a no-brainer.

The wealthy don't really have a problem on the surface. It seems like they could just impregnate as many women as they want--though I don't know WHY a wealthy man would want to. Typically more is demanded of wealthy men with their progeny collecting exorbitant child-support monies. If you have, say, 5 kids with 5 different women, you're going to be spread pretty thin even if you have a sizable income. There would have to be a cap on how much the kids would be allowed to receive, but it would be just the bare minimum to live comfortably. However, I do think that the law should require that the inheritance should be distributed evenly among all children, legit or not. Not only that, but he'd have to meet certain criteria to avoid prison time--no underaged funny business.

Transients? Exactly what attractive traits are we talking about here that would con women into sleeping with them and getting pregnant? I see this affecting younger girls than adult women. In that case, the guy is a pedophile and needs to go to prison for being a sexual predator.

This could backfire in a big way, though. In prison, you get three hots and a cot. So it's possible one could become a sexual predator not for the gratification of it, but as a means to getting off the street.

I'm not a bastard, which will doubtless upset some of the people on PPR who probably believe I'm a complete bastard anyway.

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Oh, I'm sure that the thought never entered anyone's mind here.

You really can't have any laws requiring this. A man may leave his fortune to whomever he wishes.



As long as he is after adult women, he doesn't have anything to worry about. She can sue him for child support, but she won't get anything, if he doesn't have any money. The man would obviously have some attractive traits. There are a lot of poor men with multiple bastard children with multiple women.

True. Call it wishful thinking.


Forced sterilization, then. Or maybe could enact a penalty...er...I mean...um...a reproductive "privilege tax."

Doves are in season, and a close family friend thinks it's his duty to take my son hunting (I don't hunt--more lack of time or interest than anything else, but I have no real objections to it). So it occurred to me I should finally bite the bullet and get find my hunter's ed certificate after 20 years and apply for a hunting license. But I also thought maybe doing the online class and retaking the test might do me some good, and it's mostly common sense anyway.

Why not enact some kind of mandatory "reproductive safety" course that would be required prior to purchasing a license for sex? And then require, say, a license renewal every three years. You'd be schooled not just on where babies come from, but also in ethics and "sportsmanship." Sex offenders, analogous to poachers, would obviously permanently lose their license and be barred from license renewal. Those who have incurable STIs would have be required to register and could only hunt...er...date within their respective pools. There could be special permits, of course, but they'd have to be individually approved.

This may sound odd coming from me, but I'd actually make marriage licenses MORE difficult to get, the reason being that marriage is too casually approached as it is, and stringent criteria would need to be put in place to make sure that couples are actually compatible, that there is something more advantageous than romantic love to be gained from the union, that couples possess the maturity to handle child-rearing, and that both parties bring a minimum of liability into the marriage (extensive credit card debts, for instance). While financial security does help strengthen the unions, note that possessing even average wealth is not necessary to successfully obtaining a license.

Also note that a RSL (Recreational Sex License) would be easier for gays to maintain than it would be for straights since gay sex would rarely carry the risk of accidental conception. Also, since the risks posed by male irresponsibility are inherently more severe towards women than men, it should be mandatory for parents to provide birth control for girls of child-bearing age and to supervise its use. This isn't a blank check for fooling around, but more of a preventative measure in the event of sexual abuse.

I also like the idea of developing some kind of functional dentata. There should be several variations of these. One version would inject the attacker with a strong sedative that would paralyze the attacker within seconds of sexual contact (think Y.T. from the Snow Crash novel). Another less sophisticated version would attach itself to the attacker and would require a visit to a hospital for removal as well as a "follow-up" visit to the nearest police station. I understand Rape-aXe was developed for this purpose but remains unavailable to the public. So between something like this and conventional birth control pills, you can effectively stop conceptions stemming from sexual abuse and potentially eliminate the abuse altogether

So having physical deterrents along with requiring licenses or permits for sex would likely go a long way to solving the problem of so-called illegitimacy.

none of this is implied in bastardy. the term simply refers to a a child born out of wedlock. i am a bastard in the true sense of the term, and my parents were together until i was 21 years of age and both worked throughout that time.

to suggest any connection at all between bastardy, single parenthood and child sex is extremely questionable to say the least.

Well, is being born out of wedlock a death sentence? No. Is your fate sealed? No. Are there exceptions to everything I said? Probably so.

I worked in public schools for three years right out of college. One of my first students was a pregnant 7th grader. A 7TH GRADER!! !! 12 or 13 years old. According to the law--it doesn't matter how you slice it--she was abused or exploited.

I was at a different school a year later, and my second year on that job there was a girl roughly about the same age who suffered a miscarriage in the middle of a school hallway. 13 years old. As far as the law is concerned, she was a victim of child abuse.

The problem is no one is prosecuting the abusers. I simply am unable to get away with something like that. Being a white teacher in a minority school--or any school for that matter, I taught private school for two years after that--if I'd pulled something like that, I'd have lost all my teaching creds and probably have gotten 15-20 years, and I wouldn't even have to get someone pregnant for that to happen. Heck, I don't even teach in the classroom anymore and I'd still have gotten the book thrown at me. Maybe it's because I'm fat, bald, and ugly, I dunno. People like me are held to account for every wrong thing we do while genuinely evil people not only get away with it, they get glamorized on the Maury show and get their own show on MTV for four seasons or so (16 & Pregnant/Teen Mom). I don't envy people who get away with it, but I'm just awestruck that it happens so often.

There are lots of exceptions, and by no means to I hold this to be an absolute rule. If you're an exception, fine. But you can't get around the fact that child sex DOES frequently lead to pregnancy.

Moreover, it's actually encouraged. I was a temporary paralegal when I was between college degrees, and I remember two clients who happened to be mother/daughter. Out of curiosity, I pulled their files and discovered that four generations were living in the same house and had been exploiting the system to do so. It was a cycle of getting pregnant extremely young, running up debts, and staying on welfare and in bankruptcy proceedings.

And I've seen it happen since then in other families. They are aware that more children=more benefits. They make a full-time job of having babies, camping out in front of DHS and the health department, and then camping out in front of the bank on the 1st and 3rd.

Don't tell me there aren't strong links between out-of-wedlock births, child sex, and welfare fraud!

while definately worrying and sad(sick even) that still doesnt hold true for any and all, or even the majority of illegitimate children.

that is a problem of abuse and there i think we can all agree that there should be a more severe punishment and better tools for persecution.

A new tax has also been proposed.

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Here is an interesting case from the Philippines

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/26 ... hys-estate

Dolphy, a famous Filipino actor who died recently, has 17 children from a wide variety of women. Sixteen of the children are illegitimate. He adopted one child, and Philippine law considers the adopted child "legitimate." So, the adopted child has priority on inheritance.

I have the impression that, in the Philippines, many men consider it a badge of honour, and a sign of machismo, to sire multiple bastards.

Possibly also certain American men feel this way.

Here are the top 10 American athletes with the highest numbers of illegitimate children:

http://www.spike.com/articles/q1nho0/th ... ren?page=1

Interesting: every one of them is Black.

Here is a neat little graph

[img][800:571]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db18_Fig_6.png[/img]

Huge increases in a lot of countries. Japan doubled to 2 percent, but still very low.

And, an interesting article on the decline of fatherhood:

http://www.utne.com/Politics/Decline-Of ... amily.aspx


While some of us seem to be inclined to blame men (as usual), what about the women? Most men are not acting callously. It could be that a lot of women are leaving 80% of the men in the dust to become a part of the harem of the most attractive 20% of men, thereby raising the illegitimacy rate.