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06 Sep 2012, 5:20 pm

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Arms advocates on both sides of the race divide have very much a 'us and them' mentality in which the gun culture is counterintuitive to overcoming racism. While there may be progressive voices in favour of guns the presence of guns have a very reactionary effect. Theres no resident intent to use guns in either a egalitarian or collectively beneficial way to liberate the proletariat. Its all to do with owning as many guns as possible for the sole purpose of keeping intruders of one's land with no shortage of latent bloodlust which sits well with the agenda of right wing idealogues.

That's a nice perception, but it's not accurate by any means. From the people I've met, even the most obnoxious right-wing gun owner is concerned with either a) hunting, b) some type of competition shooting/recreational activity, c) protecting themselves and/or loved ones from people who mean to do them harm. There is a huge racism problem in this country, but the gun owners I know are very much not bigoted. Some of them are obnoxiously paranoid - but race isn't really a factor there.

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06 Sep 2012, 5:25 pm

I am an American and pro-gun to the point were I think automatic rifles manufactured after May 19, 1986 should be perfectly legal for a civilian to own. Other than that I am fairly moderate to liberal.

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06 Sep 2012, 5:30 pm

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Dox47 - Much as many here don't like it, the UK is a European country. Having grown up here, I'd like to note I've never been aware of any anti-gun rhetoric from the state. Simply, day to day, guns were never around, and I've never heard any adult express a desire for one - it simply wasn't an issue. Occasionally, guns would be used in a crime - armed robbery, murder. I always learned of such crimes via the news. I grew up in the second city - Birmingham - and have lived in rural places such as Shetland and north Wales.

The UK is an interesting case where no one really ever had guns. If I had to guess, I'd say it's probably related to the UK's geography. Since the only access to the mainland of Europe is by water, the military has always been very heavily Navy-centric, and guns haven't ever been particularly useful historically. The countries with a heavy tie to guns are usually those where a strong standing army has been historically important.

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06 Sep 2012, 6:56 pm

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I am not of any certain politics on the issue. I have lived in Canada all my life, many of my friends and colleagues are gun owners who hunt up north. Being around this gun culture has made me opposed to some anti-gun policies, while also opened my eyes to some of the vagaries of pro-gun arguments. I myself own a bow and intend to purchase a rifle in the next few years, along with a hunting license.

I would do the same if I lived in Canada, tbh. It's not practical to hunt here, though. That would be the only reason I would get a gun.

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06 Sep 2012, 8:40 pm

In the US it varies some by region. In the southeastern and western states guns are still more of a staple than in the northeast and midwest. I was born and lived in a smallish town down the river from Pittsburgh until I was 15 when we moved. A lot of people around there hunt but are usually not quite as in to guns as they are in the west or south.

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07 Sep 2012, 5:14 am

thomas81 wrote:

Its all to do with owning as many guns as possible for the sole purpose of keeping intruders of one's land with no shortage of latent bloodlust which sits well with the agenda of right wing idealogues.

Source?

I own guns because I like them, everything else is a side benefit.

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07 Sep 2012, 5:35 am

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I'm thinking of things like movie poster being banned because they "glamorized firearms" and the frankly bizarre laws concerning all forms of self defense, not to mention the creeping restrictions that eventually eroded gun rights in the UK. Then again, I'm always shocked at the English deference to the state, Americans in general seem to be far more suspicious of our government than do the British.

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07 Sep 2012, 6:19 pm

Some other country may have banned such a poster, but I can't think of an example in the UK. We have the usual restrictions regarding a whole host of stuff with what can and can't be shown in a film of a certain classification, or on TV at a certain time, or in a magazine. Advertisers have guidelines, but if there's a complaint about an advert it's from the public to the self-regulatory Advertising Standards Authority -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advertisin ... Kingdom%29

- and the company may want to withdraw their advert due to the bad press enough complaints may receive.

I don't think there's much deference to the state here - strangely enough I was listening to a radio broadcast about the poll tax riots this morning. There's a sense that the state should provide certain services (the NHS being a prime example), but little taste for lecturing from the state. All three main political parties are pretty much neo-liberal in outlook, with little tweaks here and there. It's hard to talk about more without going into huge detail with class outlook, regional differences, media, and so on. Where there is a deference, it's more to the monarchy - and even then, specifically to the Queen herself, much less so to anyone else in it - than the government (though, yes, Liz is the head of state).

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09 Sep 2012, 2:17 pm

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Interesting replies, 'cept for John_Browning, talking arse as ever. Thanks.

Being completely worked up and serious about all debates on the internet isn't healthy. I've got a major project to chip away at and I don't want to be glued to the internet every spare minute- it's basically the same reason I quit playing PC games!

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09 Sep 2012, 2:36 pm

John_Browning wrote:

Hopper wrote:

Interesting replies, 'cept for John_Browning, talking arse as ever. Thanks.

I've got a major project to chip away at

Your dog?

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