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18 Sep 2012, 3:23 pm

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I really hope this is the final nail in that prick's coffin for his presidential aspirations. And to think, when I was trying to make nice with Inuyasha, I actually said Romney was basically a decent man. Well, I take it back!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Same here, as this shows just how out of touch he really is, as I'm one of that 47% and I have worked my ass off only to find myself laid off. It's true that I do get SSI, but that's because I was born with Asperger's and that's considered a disability. Even then, I was very reluctant to even apply in the first place since I didn't want to be viewed as a parasite, which is what Mitt just called us. For me, the main reason I applied was for the health insurance since if I did get any insurance privately, it would have cost me a fortune. Usually, I was denied because of my AS diagnosis as it's a preexisting condition. My ultimate goal is to get a job that will pay more than the SSI does. If I were still undecided before yesterday, this quote would have convinced me to vote for Obama.



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18 Sep 2012, 4:13 pm

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Two things:

First of all, doesn't Romney have a point when he claims that some groups in society have no incentive to support lower taxes, regardless whether these are beneficial to society or not?

Second of all, why do people automatically assume that paying taxes is a *good* thing? Unless we live an utopian economy with no price effects, taxation will in most cases result in a dead weight loss to society... In other words, the government would have spend the tax revenue very wisely just to break even...

.. Oh, and shouldn't this thread be in the PPR forum?


How are things going to get done without taxation?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Sorry to answer a question with a question, but could you elaborate?



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18 Sep 2012, 4:38 pm

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GGPViper wrote:
Two things:

First of all, doesn't Romney have a point when he claims that some groups in society have no incentive to support lower taxes, regardless whether these are beneficial to society or not?

Second of all, why do people automatically assume that paying taxes is a *good* thing? Unless we live an utopian economy with no price effects, taxation will in most cases result in a dead weight loss to society... In other words, the government would have spend the tax revenue very wisely just to break even...

.. Oh, and shouldn't this thread be in the PPR forum?


How are things going to get done without taxation?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Sorry to answer a question with a question, but could you elaborate?


Just that. If you have no taxation, there are no more services, let alone national defense. That hardly sounds like creating dead weight to me.

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18 Sep 2012, 4:52 pm

That 47% do pay taxes (link), just not income taxes. Also that 47% is a mix of parties. It's funny how he hates on them for not paying income taxes, when he refuses to release his tax forms.

Well, Romney, I'm an independent. You just pissed of me off. There's a special circle of Hell for scum like you. Your father, who was once upon a time on welfare (link), would be disgusted and would have voted for Obama in this coming election.

A sidenote: The person who leaked the video was President Carter's grandson. Carter's revenge!



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18 Sep 2012, 5:15 pm

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That 47% do pay taxes (link), just not income taxes. Also that 47% is a mix of parties. It's funny how he hates on them for not paying income taxes, when he refuses to release his tax forms.

Well, Romney, I'm an independent. You just pissed of me off. There's a special circle of Hell for scum like you. Your father, who was once upon a time on welfare (link), would be disgusted and would have voted for Obama in this coming election.

A sidenote: The person who leaked the video was President Carter's grandson. Carter's revenge!


Since Mitt has not been indicted for tax evasion we can safely assume he has paid his taxes. And his tax returns are no one's business but his and the IRS. There is no law compelling a candidate to submit his tax records to public scrutiny.

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18 Sep 2012, 5:21 pm

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That 47% do pay taxes (link), just not income taxes. Also that 47% is a mix of parties. It's funny how he hates on them for not paying income taxes, when he refuses to release his tax forms.

Well, Romney, I'm an independent. You just pissed of me off. There's a special circle of Hell for scum like you. Your father, who was once upon a time on welfare (link), would be disgusted and would have voted for Obama in this coming election.

A sidenote: The person who leaked the video was President Carter's grandson. Carter's revenge!


Since Mitt has not been indicted for tax evasion we can safely assume he has paid his taxes. And his tax returns are no one's business but his and the IRS. There is no law compelling a candidate to submit his tax records to public scrutiny.

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No, he doesn't have to share his tax returns with the rest of us. But after he probably loses this November, that will be one of the reasons why he'll be kicking himself.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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18 Sep 2012, 5:40 pm

When you're running for president, it's everyones business. Its been tradition since the 1970's. When you don't submit such information in a culture that requires such information to be released, you're hiding something. If Obama pulled what Romney is pulling, his head would have been put on the metaphorical chopping block by the Republicans.

No one is saying he evaded taxes. He wouldn't be running if he did. He has something to hide. Maybe he doesn't want the Mormon Church to know he earned more than what he told them and he skipped out giving them money? Maybe he's been making a fortune in this "crappy Obama economy" (See how it's relevant?)? Maybe he's paying ridiculously low taxes? Either way, if you're going to run for office, you better prepare yourself for an invasion of privacy. It's not new.

Everyone else has played by the rules and if you were running, you'd have to too.



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18 Sep 2012, 5:50 pm

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If I was a religious person I'd be building an arc waiting for the next big flood. Wipe out this scourge if greedy myopic imbeciles. Humanity is done, finished. We're totally f****.


You mean the class of people who invested their money and made possible the computer network you rant on?

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"Investors" did not create the internet. Scientists and engineers created it. Morons like Mitt Romney don't create s**t. They push paper around.



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18 Sep 2012, 6:12 pm

I'm voting for Obama again, but at the same time, both candidates are a little out of it in regards to jobs. America needs more manufacturing, NOT service jobs. Our job base needs to be more diverse.



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18 Sep 2012, 6:19 pm

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I'm voting for Obama again, but at the same time, both candidates are a little out of it in regards to jobs. America needs more manufacturing, NOT service jobs. Our job base needs to be more diverse.


No argument here. And yes, I'm voting for Obama, too.

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18 Sep 2012, 7:00 pm

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I really hope this is the final nail in that prick's coffin for his presidential aspirations. And to think, when I was trying to make nice with Inuyasha, I actually said Romney was basically a decent man. Well, I take it back!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Republicans are real life trolls.



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18 Sep 2012, 8:24 pm

marshall wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I really hope this is the final nail in that prick's coffin for his presidential aspirations. And to think, when I was trying to make nice with Inuyasha, I actually said Romney was basically a decent man. Well, I take it back!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Republicans are real life trolls.


Whatever, fact of the matter is Romney told the truth about a lot of Obama's supporters, this election is about two different visions for this Country.

Do want to be dependent on government, where success is punished, or do you want to be able to succeed through hard work?

Do you want to have to depend on what "Uncle Sam" gives you, or do you want to succeed and have the dignity of a Job.

While what Romney said was poorly worded, the fact remains that what Romney said is the truth.

How about you look at the record number of people on disability and foodstamps, sometime, oh but according to Democrats that's "racist."

Fact of the matter is, I could go back and quote many of you repeatedly, it would demonstrate how Romney's words were the truth. While there are some people that really can't live on their own, there are a lot of people that can, but have been brainwashed into thinking they can't.

You have Autism, so what? Everybody has challenges, I also have Autism, so what? For the longest time I didn't want to learn to drive a car, well I can drive a car. When someone tells you that they'll help you with something because you can't do it because you have Autism, how about you tell them to shove it, instead of believing them.

You have two choices this election, you can either choose giving up and learned helplessness; or you can pull yourself up and do things for yourself, if for no other reason but to show the idiots that said you can't do things for yourself, that you can!



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18 Sep 2012, 9:45 pm

My main problems with his remarks are:

1. A very substantial portion of the "no income tax" grouping is republican and almost certainly supports him (ungrateful much?), and several thousand are actually wealthy and presumably successful.

2. He has made a point in the past of how "dividing the nation" is wrong and used it in attacks on Obama. Apparently it's okay after all....

3. He has always maintained in the past that no matter how low one's taxes are, so long as a person is paying "all relevant taxes" they cannot be blamed for it. Apparently this is no longer true, and you are a very bad person with terrible personal qualities if you are in any way favored by some of the current laws.



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18 Sep 2012, 10:23 pm

Business Insider (link). "47% Disproportionately Live In Republican States." Makes sense.

Politifact checks-in (link) and says there is only one truth in Romney speech and that was, "47% don't pay income tax." Which is, of course, true! However, Romney took it out of context and was slammed by Forbes (link), a magazine ran by a Republican.



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18 Sep 2012, 10:47 pm

Pileo wrote:
Business Insider (link). "47% Disproportionately Live In Republican States." Makes sense.

Politifact checks-in (link) and says there is only one truth in Romney speech and that was, "47% don't pay income tax." Which is, of course, true! However, Romney took it out of context and was slammed by Forbes (link), a magazine ran by a Republican.


Doesn't change the fact that a lot of people feel entitled to government handouts, and the fact there is a culture of victimhood...

Also, the idea that all the people dependent on government are in Republican states is rather laughable, especially when you consider many Republican led states are not in the budgetary mess that states like New York, Illinois, and California are in. Also doesn't change the fact that the Washington DC School systems as well as the ones in Chicago are a disaster.