The Pyramids

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Last edited by JNathanK on 28 Sep 2012, 2:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Yah, but this is space age technology verses copper tools, no compass, no lever systems, no wheels, no diamond bit saws, no Euclidean geometry, etc etc.

Stargate was loosely based on Zachariah Sitchin's theories, The Hollywood films don't predate his or Daniken's work. How do you know with absolute certainty there were no ET's involved? It must be such an absurd notion that there might be life out there more advanced than ours and that they intervened in our evolution and left remnants behind. I'm not saying I believe it with absolute certainty, but I think there's a logical basis for entertaining the idea.

If it was built by humans, I think its more likely that it was done by a previous society, that was a lot more advanced than the Egyptians at 2500 BC, who's civilization has been destroyed and technology lost. It may have been the Athenian-Egyptian ancestors that warred with Atlantis, which Plato wrote about in Timaeus. What I find odd about the Giza pyramids is there's really no art or writing in them to speak of.. The Sphinx too, may have actually been a giant Lion sculpture, who's head was vandalized later by Egyptians to look like one of the kings. There's also water erosion lines on the Sphinx that geologists say wouldn't have been possible unless the Sphinx was built at least 10,000 years ago, when the Nile Valley was more tropical and flooded on a regular basis. That would have also placed its construction around the time of the Atlantean culture that Plato chronicled.

I think its more likely that the pyramids were a temple utilized by a priestly class than it was a tomb built specifically to house the corpse of a monarch. This explanation wouldn't require the 20 year construction time window for the tomb hypothesis and allows for the possibility that it was built over successive generations, much like the cathedrals in Europe. You have to remember that the British spun these theories, and they interjected their biases into it. They were people that liked to promote the idea that great things were only achieved through harsh discipline from authority and love of king and country. So it only makes sense their theories on the construction of such massive, megolithic achievements would revolve around, war, conquest, and hundreds of thousands of people devoting their whole lives to making a massive mausoleum to adorn their Pharaoh with and not some pre-diluvian Republic of reasoning, peaceful, enlightened philosophers who's society was torn apart by war, conquest, and natural disaster.



Now, as far as ET's go, I think this race may have had something to do with it.

Some people say its head binding, but the skulls don't look the same.



Comparing it to modern head bound skulls, the size just doesn't match up. I think these could have very well belonged to the Anunnaki of ancient Sumerian folklore. the divine council referenced in the Bible, and the Viracochas referenced in Peruvian folklore. They were also said to have cross-bred with humans, so these could be the hybrid skulls as well. I don't really know for sure though. Its just speculation.

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I love the idea that the sphinx was built around 10,000BC. It adds more intrigue and mystery. It is also speculated that the sphinx was actually a lion when it was originally designed and that erosion or a later pharaoh king ordered it to be removed and his own head put in place. It was suggested the sphinx represents the constellation Leo as that was the sign that rose at the equinox around 10,000 BC.

The pyramids are said to represent the three stars of Orion's belt, and the star Sirius aligned with one of the channels in the great pyramid about 4000 or so years ago.

True, but is is also the act of stacking stones on top of other stones versus sending human beings 384,400 kilometres into the most hostile environment known to man - deep space - landing on a previously unexplored moon (on the first try with 25 seconds of fuel left) - and getting them *back* safely... To me, the pyramids are pretty much a "meh" in comparison... Every time you fail, you just get another worker... Doesn't work that way in outer space...

But I digress. In either case, humanity was quite capable of performing these feats without the interference of extra-terrestrials...

Indeed. Both the Egyptians and the Sumerians had the plumb bob level, the 3-4-5 square to make nearly perfect right angles and the T-square. Sufficient for doing accurate measurements with stone.

ruveyn

As far as those elongated skulls are concerned, there is such a thing as skull deformation. High civilizations were not the only ones to purposefully deform their skull; so did the Huns, Scythians, and some Germanic peoples like the Thuringians and others, who were under the cultural influence of the steppe tribes. Alien/human hybrids had nothing do with it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I've heard it said that deep sea is more hostile than deep space.

In the deep sea you have:

Gravity
Oxygen (can be extracted from water through electrolysis)
Water (obviously)
Food (only under some circumstances, and only if you can catch it - there are fish living as deep as 7.5 kilometres)
Heat (although sometimes as low as 0-3 degrees centigrade, but see the space equivalent below)

In deep space you have:

No gravity
No oxygen
No water
No food
No heat (or more precisely, close to 0 degrees Kelvin)

The sheer absence of resources in deep space is what makes it so unforgiving...

No gravity? What keeps the planets in orbit around the Sun.
No heat? The surface of the Sun is at 6000 degrees Kelvin and the corona of the Sun at about 2 million Kelvin. Virtually all the heat on the surface of the Earth came from the Sun.
No water? The vast majority of the Kuyper belt objects are made of ice as are many of the Oort cloud objects. That is where the water on earth came from in the first place.

ruveyn

Atlantis is a myth. The earliest account of Atlantis is by Plato. Any claims of earlier accounts are based on wishful thinking and subjective interpretations of the myth of the Great Flood -- which is most likely to be humanity's oral tradition of the glacial melting and the concurrent sea-level rise about 12,000 years ago after the most recent Ice Age.

The books by von Daniken and Sitchen (and others of their ilk) are pure speculation, without any valid empirical evidence to back them up. Whatever 'evidence' they offered was distorted, taken out of context, or a complete fabrication. Those men were not scientists, they were hucksters, and only those who are ignorant of both science and history, or the very gullible, would ever believe anything they say -- such people made von Daniken and Sitchen wealthy by buying their worthless books, but this did nothing to advance the human condition.

Show me PROOF of extra-terrestrials, and not just a few finger-paintings on a rock wall, pictures of disfigured people, a few pages from a largely apocryphal collection of Bronze-Age campfire stories, or some other such nonsense.

or it was aperfectly normal city and the ruins we find will show a trading civilization with a lot of myth, much like any other society.

My preferred assumption is that "Atlantis" represents a lot of coastal cities that were lost when the seas rose after the most recent Ice Age ended. The fact that ancient peoples tended to dwell along the shores of lakes, oceans, and waterways lends credence to this assumption, and may also imply a causes as to why nearly every civilization in the last 10,000 has had some kind of "Great Flood" myth.

Either way -- myth or quasi-reality -- "Atlantis" is irrelevant to our current age and culture.

The pyramids were used by astrologically superstitious people.

For what it's worth, Biblically, one of the other functions of the pyramids could be explained in the story of the tower of Bāběl (Hebrew, gate of the Almighty One). However, I am only speculating.

Actually, the best explanation I've heard for the possible existence of a historical Atlantis would have been the Minoan civilization that had extended to Thera - which was ultimately destroyed by the volcanic blast of Santarini. As the Greeks apparently had misunderstood the Egyptian recording of the passage of time, Plato had written that Atlantis had disappeared under the waves thousands of years before his time, when in fact, it would only have been a matter of centuries. This would have put it at the right time as the destruction of the island of Thera, during the late Bronze Age. As Plato reported, the Atlanteans had dominated the Greek mainland - which we know was the case with the Minoan civilization. And while there was a Pillars of Hercules closer to the Atlantic Ocean, where Plato had said Atlantis was located, the fact is, there was also a lesser known pillars of Hercules site nearer to Thera. Archaeology has revealed a treasure trove of artifacts revealing the high Minoan culture that had existed there before the island had been evacuated by the population for Egypt. But no UFO's.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

But you have to *get* to the Kuiper Belt first and the Oort cloud is a light year away, and when I used the term "Deep space" I meant outer space, which exempts celestial bodies like the Sun and the detrimental effects of low gravity on the human body are present even if its not entirely nonexistent. Ooh! And radiation, and... *derails thread into oblivion*

... ok,, you win. But 2 million Kelvin doesn't exactly dispute my point that deep space is more inhospitable to man than the deep sea .