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03 Oct 2012, 12:38 pm

The bible was written by men not poets.

A poem captures people's emotions and imagination. The bible captures the vulnerability in a person and then controls them.



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03 Oct 2012, 2:29 pm

Christianity lost me as a supporter when I went to seminary and eventually realized that there are a lot of contemporary Christian leaders who try to set themselves above and apart from secular law -- as if they did not live in "The World" and were not products of it -- just because they claimed the label of "Christian".

Then I read the Bible and realized that (1) it is not a factual account of history, maths, or science; (2) it promotes conquest by genocide; (3) it is a textbook on slavery; and (4) it promotes the subjugation of women as second-class citizens.


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03 Oct 2012, 3:53 pm

That’s the tell tale sign religion is manmade, how they treat woman. A second-class citizen sounds about right for most religions throughout the world.

It’s a man’s world with manmade law’s, why else would most of the gods be named after men and not woman.

An over-active control gene, that’s the reason why men dominate woman, that and bullying (Brute Strength).



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03 Oct 2012, 4:13 pm

I saw this on a cup once,"First God created man,then she had a better idea". :lol:



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03 Oct 2012, 4:16 pm

What make me stop believing was 2 things. The belief only humans have souls, and the belief in eternal punishment.



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04 Oct 2012, 7:22 pm

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Isn't Christianity ostensibly supposed to be about God first and foremost and The Church second?


The "church" regardless of which one it is has and will always be primarily a way to control people. Do we really want to forget what the various Churches get up to when nobody is there to keep them in check?

If a religion is just about a person's relationship with "god" as they claim, then why would there be a need for a church, or a doctrine, and more importantly, why would there be a need for authority figures to tell people how to behave in that church or how to interpret that doctrine?



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04 Oct 2012, 7:32 pm

TM wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
Isn't Christianity ostensibly supposed to be about God first and foremost and The Church second?
The "church" regardless of which one it is has and will always be primarily a way to control people. Do we really want to forget what the various Churches get up to when nobody is there to keep them in check? If a religion is just about a person's relationship with "god" as they claim, then why would there be a need for a church, or a doctrine, and more importantly, why would there be a need for authority figures to tell people how to behave in that church or how to interpret that doctrine?

Faith is believing in something without justification for that belief; religion is the socio-political expression of faith.

The Christian religion expresses itself by allowing its leaders to take your money and menial services in exchange for a few sweet-sounding promises of eternal bliss, some hand-waving hokey-pokey, and a cracker with a shot of grape juice once a week or so. That's all there is to it.


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04 Oct 2012, 7:40 pm

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What make me stop believing was 2 things. The belief only humans have souls, and the belief in eternal punishment.


Were in the Bible does it say only humans have souls? The book of Isaiah seems to rather specifically mention animals in heaven, and there are also various mentions of animals praying to or otherwise worshipping God. It's pretty obvious that God has given us special privileges when compared to the other creatures of Terra, but I believe God loves all his creations.

I once heard about a book that was not included in the Bible, in which after the resurrection Jesus takes one of his apostles (I forget which) to view the afterlife. The apostle looks down on hell, and has sympathy or the people suffering there. He asks Jesus wether they will really have to suffer forever, and Jesus says that they will eventually be set free, but don't tell anyone because then people will just sin constantly. However, there is the question of why, if Jesus told him not to tell anyone, it was written down.

I guess when looking at the idea of eternal punishment, I tend to focus on the other side of the spectrum: a lot of people do terrible things without ever having to pay for them in their earthly life, and I would hate to think that they never have to own up to what they did.



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04 Oct 2012, 8:42 pm

TM wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
Isn't Christianity ostensibly supposed to be about God first and foremost and The Church second?




If a religion is just about a person's relationship with "god" as they claim, then why would there be a need for a church, or a doctrine, and more importantly, why would there be a need for authority figures to tell people how to behave in that church or how to interpret that doctrine?

Exactly! That´s what I often wonder.



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04 Oct 2012, 8:48 pm

I don't believe that the church as described in the bible is in any way supposed to be about telling people what to do, but rather most of their work seems to be charitable; there are many references to "administering to the saints", that is providing food and money to support the poor. For many years most people could not read or write, and sermons were an admittedly often abused way of informing people what is recored in the Bible. I view much of what exists in what is called the church today as a relic of a time in which people were incapable of reading the Bible for themselves.



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04 Oct 2012, 9:39 pm

Because god isn't real and does not exist. I know people will tell me that just because there isn't proof to prove me he exists doesn't mean he doesn't, well I just know he doesn't. :D


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05 Oct 2012, 11:32 am

I am a Christian and I am at a Pentecostal church and I am a worship leader there and I am also one of the preachers and even I can say that there are SOME nasty self righteouss Christians about and there are Christians who also would rather go straight to the spiritual rather go straight to what the situation really is. i have got AS myself and the congregation and the pastor except it we also have someone with schizophrenia and he stims and he is also nervous and we except we don't go around saying he is demon possessed it is so self righteouss. Although there are some instances when yes there is a spiritual element to situations. My idea of church is for it to be like a hospital a place for healing not a place for condemning even Jesys was compassionate the only people He really shouted was the Pharasees and the Saducees and I am sure there a few Pastors today He would probably shout at.



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05 Oct 2012, 4:52 pm

I left Christianity (or Catholicism, rather) on account that my last two catechists were EXTREMELY fundamental and refused to believe that being gay was anything but a choice. One time my Mom came in and explained the difference in brain structure and my catechist STILL wouldn't take it.

What made it worse, my next teacher tried to convince me that they worked along science. Pfft! Because Galileo wasn't under house arrest until he died! (Sarcasm)

That coming from a guy who also claims that Hinduism is a 'New Age' religion! Really? That's such a lie! He's trying to make claims that Hinduism isn't older than Christianity. And their concept of gay people implies that they are all pedophilic and pleasure seeking only- another lie- and that Wicca is Satan-worshipping because many believe in the horned God (Pan).

They also tell children these heartfelt stories in my church to draw them in! They made a pretty story about how the Christmas Tree came about- something about the three trees and the nativity- but in reality, the Christmas Tree was originally a sacred tree dedicated to Thor that was chopped down to prove that their Gods were fallible and nonexistent. >:( That's why I'm not Catholic...



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06 Oct 2012, 2:50 am

SorajimaAiko wrote:
...and that Wicca is Satan-worshipping because many believe in the horned God (Pan).


Technically Pan and Satan are the same thing. Poor Pan was the victim of a Christian smear campaign way way back; all these pagans needed converting to the new faith, so it was "oh, the goat legged guy with the horns? Yeah, he's real... and he's evil, too. Here's the scoop..."

Curious to note that there's no Devil in the OT. He appears all over the place in the NT. The OT mentions devils, but not theDevil. You have Lucifer, of course, but he's been retconned into the role - according to the OT, Lucifer was imprisoned in Hell for eternity. Not in charge, but imprisoned. Hell is eternal suffering for him, not us. He certainly shouldn't be up and about and tempting people, or God's done a pretty poor job of it. Which, to be fair, is BAU for God...



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07 Oct 2012, 5:05 am

My experience with various churches was not a positive experience. Each one of them was controlling and freely used guilt in order to manipulate people. I became sick of christians always wanting to "counsel" me. I was sick of how nosy they were and how they somehow thought they could tell me how to live my life. Church also was boring. Unchanging rituals, dull sermons that nobody ever remembered, and sappy music were the rule. The people argued with each other and clearly didn't live in peace with one another.
They also believed the most batshit crazy things. For example, one man stated that each time America failed to support Israel, God sent a major disaster to us. Has there ever been a time we failed to support Israel? Did you know Satan whispers in our ears? Yep, it's true. Satan whispers and God always speaks in a still, small voice. Did you know you can cure your own cancer simply by ordering it out of your life? Mental illnesses are caused by demon possession. We probably are possessed by the Demon of Aspergers. Jesus always softly raps at your door, begging for you to let him in. Never open your door to a long haired man wearing a shiny, white dress. I finally decided never to listen to this crap again.
I left church and abandoned christianity. Good riddance.



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07 Oct 2012, 11:25 am

When you left Christianity did you leave quietly or did you leave with joy in your heart and a feeling of Blessed Relief. Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty I'm free at last!

Christianity is a Good Thing to leave. It is a religion that enables guilt, weakness and stupidity in very large measures. Christians with steel in their spines should become Upright Pagans and be themselves.

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