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Used to smoke a bit, cutting back (actually considering stopping) due too the fact i want a clearhead too be able too figure out what AS means for me. (only recently realised i am an aspie).

It was a fun collage thing to do but I have since outgrown it. I really have no problem for people using it recreationally or medically and think it should be legal. I found it much better than alcohol in relaxing me socially and there is no hangover

Hmm, Crack and heroine kill you - proven. Ever seen an addict? Ever seen a "pot" addict? Quite a difference there

Politics - I call it intelligence, you can't od on weed - i dont even know why I'm replying to this

Smoke whatever you want but if you think heroine and weed are on the same level, then god bless you

You won't OD on heroin if you stick to the correct dosage - i don't even know why im replying either.
Dont know what you mean by 'on the same level.'
Heroin is vastly different.

It is! I dont see reports stating how heroine isnt that bad of a drug, do you? I'm sure sniffing paint in low doses may give people an artistic ability but it kills your brain. This is why Alcohol and pot are different, one is proven to kill your brain cells, one cant be proven (and I have a report that actually shows it might promote brain neuron growth). Will smoking heroine reduce chances of catching a cold? alzeheimers? Are there any pros to heroine?

I guess my general statements are too general and can be applied to other drugs, I figured common sense would draw the line between heroine and pot but I guess I was wrong.

I would like to see scientifical EVIDENCE that verifies your "pot inhibits alzheimer" theory.

Look on yahoo, hell, go to the alzheimers website and look under news, I'm too bloody tired of proving this s**t to people that, even after reading it, disect the articles and research looking for the tiniest thing to resupport themselves

EDIT: Forgive my rudeness and assholeness this morning, I'm a bit irritated (no one here)

Are they any pros to Heroin?

It's quite an effective painkiller. Has been used for medicinal purposes for centuries.
Not as widely used nowadays due to the more modern synthetic analgesics which have less side-effects.
Many terminally ill patients are still proscribed with heroin though.

The point i'm trying to make (badly), is that it is hypocritical to promote the use of one drug, (which you happen to enjoy), but denigrate the use of others (which other people may enjoy).
I don't deny that heroin 'wrecks more lives' than weed. But surely that's peoples' choice, just like it's your choice to smoke pot.
Don't kid yourself that you are being more intelligent in your drug of choice.
There are pros & cons to all drugs ( some more than others).

Given the choice of smoking heroin or pot; at the moment i would much prefer the former.
But i choose to remain sobre.
Common sense does not enter into this decision. I prefer apples to oranges; if some apples were poisonous in large doses, then i would not eat a lethal dose. This is common sense.

Do you see reports saying how alcohol isn't that bad of a drug? ( eg. how many units are acceptable?) It's called propoganda, it's a political decision, some drugs are taxable.

Also, have you tried amphetamines when you have a bad cold?
I remember doing so once, i clean forgot about my 'flu symptoms for some time.

I dont use remedies when I have a cold. I normally don't even get sick (even with 0 hair on my body (alopecia)). Havent been sick since 2 Augusts, ago. So, no, I dont really take anything asides from pot. Caffeine, maybe once a week via green tea but I havent drank that in a number of weeks.

I can see the hypocrisy in my argument, however, I'm not exactly arguing 'choice,' what I'm arguing is more in depth. I'm having a tough time.

Will both relieve stress? Yes.

Will both result in your being ultra skinny and pale with continued use? No.

If we want to discuss moderation - what IS moderation? I smoke pot everyday BUT I smoke about half a bowls worth. (maybe 3 hits over the whole night (and 1-2 of those was from left over from the night before)). Some people might say moderation is 2 times a week but they may end up smoking more then I do while I smoke everyday.

And the addiction rate of heroine is extremely high so the odds of someone taking just '1' hit a day are low. Best demonstrated by todays society and all the addicts. I dont walk by many places to drop off my "roaches" but I pass 2 'mailboxes' for ridding of needles.

My point is that Marijuana and Heroine are vastly different. While they may share characteristics, such as relieving stress or even pain killing, the damage done with use of Heroine just doesn't compare to pot. If its used as a pain killer then obviously heroine isnt the biggest concern and whatever is causing the pain IS.

Again, you can choose whatever drug you want, and yes, both have pros and cons, but because they both share THOSE 'general' qualities (without any discussion about the REAL differences), then they are different and are to be viewed as different. Pots 'cons' are hard to prove, heroines ARE NOT. If we want to discuss intelligence on 'choosing a drug,' most intelligent people will choose pot simply because very little has been proven. If they enjoy it Heroine, fine - but that doesnt take away from its severe damaging effects - there are a lot of reasons why people stop at pot and do not move onto other drugs. If we simply seeked a 'high' to relax then we'd all skip to heroine but we dont which means something more to the puzzle. Generalizing MY argument WILL make me look like a hypocrit but generalizing crosses over deeper facts and underlying issues (I generalized at the beginning).

After all, an Aspie is human and so is an NT and looking at simply that, we are the same, but when you start picking them apart, pieces of the puzzle start dividing the 2

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Thats about the most same thingI have heard out of this thread. Everything has its ups and downs. Social Realtionships has their ups and downs. Video Games have their ups and downs. Its all a matter of a choice if it worth it as a society as a whole. To redefine my question. Is it acceptable as a whole to society. Most of us live in a democracy where the society as a whole has to accept something or a 50% majority. I also see it unfair when a 51% 49% break happens with elections. I think a middle ground should be established with theres a 10% margin disagreement. Thats my thoughts. Heres an example, The Gay Marriage Ban of 2004 passed here in Michigan with 6% more against it. I think then a middle ground leaning towards the people who didn't want it should be established. Like maybe some rights of marriage but not all. Rather than argue can anyone find a happy medium with Marijuana?

Ha Ha - someone thinking im saying something sane! ( i hope you did mean sane & not same).
That's nearly a first.

Is it acceptable as a whole to society?
Personally i think the world would be a more pleasant place if the majority of drunks were stoned.

But then again, a lot of people would probably realize that it's not really worth slaving away for 40 hours a week for a pittance whilst the boss gets rich and plays golf everday.
A large number of 'proles' with such thoughts wouldn't be acceptable to 'society'

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology ... juana.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/003641.html
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/128/117022
http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/health ... 35386.html
http://www.freetheplant.org/blog/medica ... ase-study/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,218042,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydro ... l#Research
http://www.mediadoctor.ca/content/artic ... icleID=318
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medical ... wsid=53664

that ain't all...science is saying it could prevent cancer:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 29_pf.html
'However, marijuana also contains the chemical THC, which he said may kill aging cells and keep them from becoming cancerous.'

and causes new neurons to grow in the brain at a faster rate than normal:
http://www.usask.ca/research/communicat ... n_head.pdf
'most drugs of abuse...such as alcohol,heroin,cocaine,nicotine suppress growth of new brain cells. However, researchers found that cannabinoids promoted generation of new neurons in rats hippocampuses
Chronic use of pot may actually improve learning memory when the new neurons in the hippocampus can mature in 2 or 3 months'

that enough science for ya?

Science; when it pulls in favour of marijuana, those who REALLY love science start bitching how those tests are inconclusive or done under certain circumstances, etc.. But when it proves marijuana bad they jump on it like a fly on s**t and scream 'see, science proved it wrong'

Here are some quotations from the links provided.

from livescience:

Note that THC doesn't only inhibit AChE, but also DESTROYS Acethylcholine? We also see that the destruction of ACh is a property of Alzheimer. Therefore, THC actually promotes Alzheimer.

From BBC:



I don't even need to explain this.



Why? Because marijuana causes neurodegeneration.



This has been proven years ago.



Did you notice DAMAGING EFFECTS OF MARIJUANA?
I support this quotation 100% If they could make THC act on CR2 exclusively, I'd support it. But so far, this hasn't been done. Since THC binds to C1 as well, self medicating with marijuana is extremely destructive.



This proves that marijuana alone doesn't do the brain any good. While it MAY prevent Alzheimers, it promotes Parkinson because it depletes dopamine.
To escape the side effects, you would need a hybrid THC compound that acts on C2. They noted that its not an easy task to do so. Chances are it may never see the light of day.


Quotations from Forbes

Headline:


COULD fight alzheimers? Speculations won't do it dudes, you need EVIDENCE.



Here they state that AChE prevents destruction of acethylcholine, while at the other site they say that THC breaks down ACh.
Confusing? Yes. Why? Lack of proper research. These speculations are silly.

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The information provided from "Freetheplant.org" just repeats the contents of a previous posted study. Also, why should I take a site that glorifies marijuana seriously?
Silly joke.

Most of these links contain information from the same, sparse study. They don't provide any evidence, only speculations. Also, they clearly state NOT to smoke marijuana because it is dangerous. Therefore, marijuana itself is not effective as it comes with serious side effects in addition to the so called prevention of alzheimers which hasn't even been proved, only speculated.
The only proper medication would be a hybrid cannabinoid which would only bind to CB2 receptors. This doesn't exist yet, if ever.

Case in point to my previous post, when science proves something, those who disagree disect and interpret data how THEY see fit. I can run over those articles and do the same thing but I'm not going to:

"NOT to smoke marijuana because it is dangerous."

No, those scientist HAVE to say that because Marijuana IS ILLEGAL! You can't 'push' things that are illegal. Every doctor has to end their study that way, even if they found out Marijuana cured death, they'd still have to say 'We don't condone smoking'

This is nothing new, its just what they HAVE to say.. I bet if you REALLY asked them, off the record, they'd say differently but we cannot do that, can we? The "man" won't let us

It doesnt say THC destroys acetylcholine. It says AChE breaks down acetylcholine.

research this;

confirmation bias