Astral Projection/Meditation

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Actually astral projecting from a sleep paralysis state brought on by lucid dreaming is very effective,

Actually astral projecting from a sleep paralysis state brought on by lucid dreaming is very effective. I've seen my own body and bounced around my house in low gravity. There's a strange hyper clarity to it too.

Arguably if enough people actually did it, some consensus or objectivity could be built around it. The fact that it is outside of the mundane model of reality that works 99% of the time doesn't mean it isn't real on some level, just that its hard to find people with common experiences in this area. You can find plenty of people that have experienced jogging and breathing, so its easy to build consensus on this. With rarer experiences, like astral projection or walking on the moon or synesthesia , its much harder to find people who have had them.

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as proven by excactly no one while there are multiple cash prizes as incentive around the world,

chances are that somewhere someone would prove it if it was right.

There's also massive cash prizes for proving evolution right from YE creationists. If someone has a bias and has made up their mind not to entertain certain ideas, that cash prize isn't going anywhere. They get to keep money they never intended on giving away in the first place, and they get to use it as a rhetorical point. You should look into the stargate program from the 80's. The government was using psychics to find terrorist cells. At times the mediums were so accurate that they could name the exact longitude and latitude of where hostages were being kept. There's also been studies where astral projectors could read numbers in the out of body state that were several digits long, memorize them, and recite them when later awake. There's plenty of evidence in support of AP, but its ignored because it challenges our cultural view of reality on a discomforting level.

Sounds fun. heck, is fun, I've experienced much the same a time or two when I got loopy.

Just another hallucination though, and I will maintain that until you show me solid evidence.

really?

there is something called peer review you know, does the so called YE creationists follow that ideology?

some of the stargate program was later admitted to be falsified and my argument still holds, if there are even a small number of people in the us then that means there are een more worldwide, what are the chances that none of them could pass the variety of peer reviewed tests beyond reasonale doubt?

Well I don't care if you have evidence or not. I just want personal evidence. If I can escape my body and read a set of numbers or a word in the state, and recall it while awake, I'll know for sure and not give a damn about what anyone else thinks. I'm an AP agnostic. I really don't know what the heck it is.

So experiment with hallucinogens, sensory deprivation, lucid dreaming, etc. You'll get your personal evidence.

No, the proof of the claim is in the demonstration of the claim. So far, you have demonstrate NOTHING.

Try my What's in The Box Challenge, if you dare. If you haven't tried it yet, then you have lent no legitimacy to the claim.

or personal lack of evidence

True, could go either way.

Ah... it seems as though this topic has upset some users... Oh well.

To those of you who responded with actual suggestions, thank you. To everyone else, I don't really care what you think about either of these subjects.

Also, I didn't ever suggest that the two things mentioned were the same thing. I'm interested in both.

Thank you very much for your response. This is what I was looking for.

You say I should create some sort of mental barrier... Do you mean a merkabah, or is that something totally different? Also, is it absolutely necessary? I just wanna see what I can experience. There's no fear; only curiosity.

"When you're in that state, it'll feel like you're trapped inside an incredibly heavy body/shell, and as the name suggests - you can't move. Keep trying to move - one way is to let yourself fall backwards out of your body, or roll over and out. You eventually come out of the "shell" and can sometimes "see" what's around you."

One time when I was at an ex-girlfriend's house, I had an experience similar to this. I've had the same experience before, but I never really remember any details about those other experiences, only that I felt like I was half awake but completely unable to move. This particular time though, I was in that state for a long time, and for some reason I felt as if I NEEDED to move, like something was wrong... Maybe I needed to get up and go to the bathroom, I don't know. But I also remember "dreaming" about getting up, trying to open the door to leave, and the door just wouldn't open. Something told me I needed to get out of the house, but no matter what I did, I could not. I also recall, in this "dream" state, for lack of a better term, trying to wake up my ex, but I couldn't no matter what I tried to do. It was all very strange to me at the time.

Also, what made that dream unique is that I had some degree of control of what happened in it. Most of the time when I have a dream, it's like watching a movie that's been predetermined. I can't do anything except sit back and watch. Like, I remember as a kid, i had this dream that I got a power rangers costume for halloween or something, and the other power rangers were looking for the red one. Well, they happened to find me and thought I was the red ranger. For some reason, no matter how badly I wanted to tell them it wasn't me and/or take off the stupid costume and show them I wasn't who they thought I was, the movie just continued to play along, and I remember getting my ass kicked by those stupid grey people they fight all the time(no idea what they're called anymore).

As far as what's real and what's not, I've recently had some experiences that, if anyone would have described to me before, I would have thought they were either lying to me or batshit insane. I know I'm not insane, and I know what I experienced. I don't really care if I can prove it to anybody else or if anyone else chooses to believe me or not.

as for the drugs, I've already thought about that, and I'd REALLY love to try some DMT or peyote. But I have no idea how to get a hold of either of those, and I'm pretty broke.

What do you mean by "what you meditate on?" Like, how do you meditate "on" something? I'm assuming it means to meditate with a specific subject/intent in mind... But I don't understand how you can do that, as the only sort of meditation I'm familiar with requires that you pretty much empty your mind. Any attempt to focus on anything puts an end to the experience, or at least it did for me.

I tried, on the advice of some youtube video, to count backwards from 100 until my mind is pretty much empty, and then just let whatever happens happens. Well, I did that, and I began to hear a voice calling out to me. I only heard one word: "HEY!" It was like someone was trying to wake me up. Either that, or Navi the faerie from Ocarina of Time wanted to tell me how to kill that Deku Baba that I've already killed billions of times before. Anyway, the voice sounded 3 times, increasing in volume and perceived desperation each time. When I tried to focus on it, it went away, and then I "woke up." The meditation was over. I've been immensely intrigued on the subjects of meditation and astral projection ever since that day. Whatever that voice was, I want to hear what it has to say. I want to know its origin and understand its nature. Maybe it was my subconscious mind, trying to tell me something when it finally had a chance to because my conscious mind was quiet for once. Whatever it was, I'm curious.

i had a bona fide OOBE sitting in the dentist's chair after i turned around and turned up the NO2 while he was in the other stall, and by the time he came back and started drilling on me, i was floating up at the fluorescent light fixture above the chair and then i went someplace all white, and i could still see and hear the dentist far away below me, as though from a great distance, with a cloudy white stuff between my floating essense and him/my body down upon the chair. i was feeling nothing though [but the joy of freedom from the body, sorta like running naked in a field of tall grass on a sunny day], until i heard the dentist say "OW!" and i sank hard back into my body upon the chair with a THUD! and the dentist thought he'd hurt me because i'd bit his hand and jerked hard in the chair. this experience gave me my first clue that being dead was not the end and nothing to fear.