Seth and 'The Seth Material'

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Right, and I think up to that point even under a pure reductive materialist rubric that still works. Where Seth (already - speaking through Jane Roberts as an electrical energy presence) departs is the claim that the physical reality, seeming labyrinthianly complex, steadfast down until we get to quanta, is still an incredibly small subset of some small spot out in podunk (our physical universe as we know it) and that we already - simultaneously - participate in many other...geez...univi?....that support energetic life in such ways where the root assumptions such as our almost unbreakable Newtonian macro-level stability - largely go out the window. He highlights the dream world as our closest relateable example, as being as real or valid as the physical world we know but where the assumptions are different enough and likely full memory of would be so overbearing to our conscious minds and survival instincts that our subconscious filters much if it out for practical reasons.

Another way of saying it would be saying that a reductive materialist sees us as having all the salient teleology that we need at our fingertips right now to rule out spirit, soul, any life before or after, immortality of personhood, higher dimensions, ascended masters, etc. etc. whereas someone more in like with Seth's teachings, theosophy, or anything along those lines is saying "Well, we agree that what you're seeing is what you're seeing but....its 1% or 1% of 1% of......." let that go for quite a long time.


The good news is that over the past six months I've been gradually weaning myself off of something similar to the scientistic/reductive materialist perspective. After my trust in coherence of pretty much any organized or historical organized religion collapsed I felt like 'spirituality' was just modern day and manic backpedaling trying to save an old ideology. The only thing I can impart that might be of some use to you in your situation - I had to understand that emprical, retestable evidence in the sense of scientific method is still only a small fraction of what we still can call 'evidence'; for instance science still doesn't do well at weighing anecdote against anecdote or dealing with more fuzzy logic, estimating odds of event A over B in such dirty arenas as mass psychology. I started with finding that I was stumped on the validity of NDE's (ie. anecdotal but recorded evidence that the out of body portions are legitimately out of body), from there I had to look at psychic ability and mediumship as possibilities, from there I did find psychics and mediums who could tell me things about myself on first phone meeting that were of such private nature (like minute health details) as well as other things that would not be pinned to my name on Facebook, Myspace, any sort of debt or asset collection service's database, etc. etc.. No, I have no peer reviewed documents on my experience, nor do I have peer reviewed documents on seeming 'supernatural' (for lack of a better descriptor) events that I was able to find incredibly cogent corroboration with in reality to where, if anything, trying to pin such longshot odds down to random chance couldn't work in intellectual honesty.

Its one of those things I think where if you do thorough research and suspend disbelief long enough to weigh out the evidence, even if you find yourself figuring that there has to be something else to it, that something else (whether the reality of ESP or collective subconscious from a material non-eternal perspective) still ends up going into pretty wild territory and ends up melting a lot of the ideas we have of ourselves as solitary individuals.


You may in end analysis either agree or disagree with Seth that consciousness is, in and of itself, independent and fundamental. In the book I'm currently reading, which deals with the first months of her communications, Jane herself was still very much in the agnostic/atheistic frame of reference where she still firmly believed that the voice was her subconscious mind bypassing her and she felt ill at ease with any analysis that Seth gave for her husband because she worried that it might have been such well-repressed criticism that she wouldn't even be aware of her own feelings. As time went on they got more corroborating data that steered her away from that assumption but it was incredibly refreshing, for me at least, to read about a medium who started out not even trusting or believing that she was as such.


TY on the martial arts

As far as multiverse theory and probabilities - I'm at the point where I'm still suspending disbelief but, admittedly I still don't get it. I still don't undertand the switch that lands the 'me' that I know on traintrack 1 of a 3 outcome decision, nor do I know how that mechanism that lands me on track one doesn't automatically cancel out the true existence of tracks 2 and 3, thus leading us right back to a completely 1 to 1 universe where the past is completely written, the future is completely written, and 'now' is nothing other than the playpoint of the Blu-Ray or DVD with my name on it.

Then again, I think that is the ultimate question everyone has and it would likely take agency of dimensions that, for me to even try comprehending at this point, would land my brain on a hot skillet.

I cannot believe that presumably intelligent people in the 21 st century take Channeling seriously. It is utter balderdash.

ruveyn

From what I've seen in modus operandi of the universe it seems neither gentlemanly nor ladylike enough to adhere to such reasonable conduct. That's probably why I only find it so surprising that it may well do such a lowbrow thing as speak through mediums.

Seances are great places to meet women, especially those who are gullible enough to believe in "Channeling" -- such women are also gullible enough to believe almost anything you may tell them, especially if it has a woo-woo context.

"Oh yes, your aura has the most beautiful pearly iridescence I have ever scryed."

"Have you met my spirit guide? She says to ask about those recurring headaches of yours."

"How odd ... my second chakra goes into a high-energy state whenever you're around."