Should people be allowed to have sex in public?

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unless you are a creationist and really think that the world you live in is only 6000 years old and had societies and streets from day 6, i don't understand your need for an explanation…

do you really think that homo sapiens or the neanderthals switched of the electric lights a night, while humping around in their private bedroom behind thick curtains?

or for that matter… that the vikings didn't have sex in their longhouses, where all families and generations slept in one single big room?

or the american native population did not copulate inside their wigwam, amongst elders and children, and were not audible outside the tent?

oh boy.. you are very much out of synch with reality then.

No it shouldnt be allowed

In the stone age they didnt have large numbers of people, and they didnt have large numbers of people concentrated in small places with artifical lighting 24/7 called 'cities'. So the stone age sex you're talking about is not quite the same thing that 'sex in public' today.

try googling:

apes copulating or apes mating

note how many nocturnal acts you'll find (hint: none… they sleep at night)
note how many do it privately…
note how many avoid open roads…
etc.

this behavior was normal to our ancestors too… for hundreds of thousands of years… if not millions.

then came moral and religion.

NO.

LONG before 'religion' and 'morality" came something called "concealed ovulation". Thats why we are the only primate that does it it private. And its started back millions of years ago when we branched off from the chimps.

And besides- no culture that has big cities allows you to do it in the streets - (not traditional China, not the mayas, not medeaval europe, not islam). So there must be some reason that these different cultures all evolved the same taboo despite thier varied religous traditions.

you are the one stating consistently that it never happened… so i would love to see your documentation that this didn't happen in any culture or any ancient times…

i have given you clear examples of public mating over a period of millions of years.

you simply state that it wasn't like that.

i find that a bit odd.

concealed ovulation is highly debated, and not at all clear. most woman know when they are fertile. for some their breast get a bit larger and their libido is rising.

when you mean "concealed" by hiding on moral or practical grounds with things like like clothing, than the same could be done with other primates, so the males can't see the females swollen genitals, smell the mucus and so on.

and then again… does "concealed ovulation" also mean that they have to have concealed mating???

some primates do have "concealed" mating, when the male is not the alpha male… this ONLY due to the consequences it would have if the alpha male caught them doing it… the alpha male has no need to conceal anything! on the contrary… it signals to all other in the flock who is the dominant male..

"document that it didnt happen"???????

Thats like me saying to you that "you have to give me evidence that Hillary Clinton is NOT a reptoid alien from Arcturus."


Its not up to me to document that it didnt happen.

Its up to you to show us all of your dirty pictures of people having orgies in the streets of the business districts of cities!



Concealed ovultaion means that females didnt biologically advertise when they ovulated. So that sets us apart from the other apes. So our last few million years ancestors arent necesarily comparable to other apes that way.

Its not my axe to grind. If you wanna to be a dogger -go for it!

But your logic is bit murkey.

French Polynesia
The Islands have been noted for their sexual culture. Many sexual activities seen as taboo in western cultures were viewed as appropriate by the native culture. Contact with Western societies has changed many of these customs, so research into their pre-Western social history has to be done by reading antique writings.[15][16]

Children slept in the same room as their parents and were able to witness their parents while they had sex. Intercourse simulation became real penetration as soon as boys were physically able. Adults found simulation of sex by children to be funny. As children approached 11 attitudes shifted toward girls.
Premarital sex was not encouraged but was allowed in general, restrictions on adolescent sexuality were incest, exogamy regulations, and firstborn daughters of high-ranking lineage. After their firstborn child, high-ranking women were permitted extramarital affairs.

“ The next day, as soon as it was light, we were surrounded by a still greater multitude of these people. There were now a hundred females at least; and they practised all the arts of lewd expression and gesture, to gain admission on board. It was with difficulty I could get my crew to obey the orders I had given on this subject. Amongst these females were some not more than ten years of age. But youth, it seems, is here no test of innocence; these infants, as I may call them, rivalled their mothers in the wantonness of their motions and the arts of allurement.(Yuri Lisyansky in his memoirs[17]) ”

Adam Johann von Krusenstern in his book[18] about the same expedition as Yuri's, reports that a father brought a 10-12 year old girl on his ship, and she had sex with the crew. According to the book[19] of Charles Pierre Claret de Fleurieu and Étienne Marchand, 8 year old girls had sex and performed other unnatural acts in public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... _Polynesia

it wouldn't bother me if done discreetly. I know it's allowed in the UK because mom and I saw it in Hyde Park in London. They were doing it under a blanket. It bothered my mother but not me. I wouldn't have even noticed if mom never said anything about it to me. To me they were just under the blanket and I didn't even know what they were doing until she told me. You just ignore it and keep on walking and not look at it. How hard is that?

NO.

LONG before 'religion' and 'morality" came something called "concealed ovulation". Thats why we are the only primate that does it it private.

do you really think that homo sapiens or the neanderthals switched of the electric lights a night, while humping around in their private bedroom behind thick curtains?

or for that matter… that the vikings didn't have sex in their longhouses, where all families and generations slept in one single big room?

or the american native population did not copulate inside their wigwam, amongst elders and children, and were not audible outside the tent?

it has been completely normal and without any moral problems for a much much longer time during mens long history than the current moral that it is not accepted and should be private and hidden away…

the same goes with the values of beauty…

so i see absolute no problem at all letting people decide themselves where and when they want to copulate.

it would be refreshing for a change, seeing people doing nice things to each other, instead of violence and hatred everywhere.

there are nearly non restriction on how much blood, killing and violence can be shown on TV… people even tune in to see it in all detail. but the same movie goes black as soon as they kiss.

qwazy wo'ld.